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On 23/12/2025 19.42, Alan Browne wrote:

To point, where MacOS is certified UNIX 03 compliant, and Linux is not certified as Unix compliant at all;

K-UX and EulerOS used to be registered UNIX, both of them are Chinese
Linux distributions, but I guess the cost kept them from certification
on later versions of their distributions as Open Group don't list them anymore.

Of course if one Linux distribution is UNIX certified, do not
automatically make all Linux to be UNIX.

Apple stealth mode still exists it appears...
(Not at all cheap, mind you).

Apple never been the cheap :P
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On 2025-12-24 06:00, J.O. Aho wrote:

On 23/12/2025 19.42, Alan Browne wrote:

To point, where MacOS is certified UNIX 03 compliant, and Linux is not
certified as Unix compliant at all;

K-UX and EulerOS used to be registered UNIX, both of them are Chinese
Linux distributions, but I guess the cost kept them from certification
on later versions of their distributions as Open Group don't list them anymore.

Interesting. But I believe the past certifications are not "erased" - certified versions that can still run (even if 20 years old) should
remain certified (unless later shown to not be in fact compliant).

Of course if one Linux distribution is UNIX certified, do not
automatically make all Linux to be UNIX.

I believe the certification would be more at the kernel/command line,
data interchange, standard i/o, files structure, etc. and not really get lathered up over desktop and other elements of a particular distro.

Thus one could get compliance at that level and then load on the distro
pack and remain compliant - as long as the core functionality of the
"Linux" remains Unix compliant. As is Linux is very close.

As you point out, demonstrating compliance is a formal affair, not cheap
to do.

Apple stealth mode still exists it appears...
(Not at all cheap, mind you).

Apple never been the cheap :P

For what Apple deliver per dollar - usually worth it - though their
upgrade memory pricing (RAM or SSD) is ridiculous to be sure. I suck
the life out of my devices so it doesn't matter terribly much over many
years of use. Apple could really boost their market share if they would
stop the price gouging on higher tier memory/storage.

PS: Stop with the assholery NG re-directs please.
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the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 12:00:56 +0100, J.O. Aho wrote:

Of course if one Linux distribution is UNIX certified, do not
automatically make all Linux to be UNIX.

If Apple can be certified as “Unix”, it just shows how meaningless the trademark has become.
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On Dec 24, 2025 at 11:55:38 AM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote <10ihcva$1aaqu$1@dont-email.me>:

On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 12:00:56 +0100, J.O. Aho wrote:

Of course if one Linux distribution is UNIX certified, do not
automatically make all Linux to be UNIX.

If Apple can be certified as “Unix”, it just shows how meaningless the trademark has become.

It has limited meaning... POSIX behavior is to the standard, permissions and other system stuff behave as documented, shells and some other stuff works as it "should".

Does not mean it is like Linux in other ways (or that Linux should be like
it). Or any other Unix-like system.
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On 20 Dec 2025, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> posted some news:%nA1R.30545$MzT8.21533@fx47.iad:

On 2025-12-19 12:02, Donald Duck wrote:

You mean you haven't, better digest this...

With many years of avoiding windows altogether (with less than 100% success), and just as many years attempting to use Linux as a full time personal desktop system, I can say categorically that it does not fit my
use case at all.

Mac OS has been (since I left Win ca. 2006) a better and better
experience in all ways as time marches on.

Unless you have to do some actual work while also connecting seamlessly
to multiple dissimilar information systems, then you must use Windows.

I have to use Linux for some purposes - but so seldom that they run in a
VM on my 2012 iMac under Fusion.

Linux is best where not seen: servers, database, utility devices
(modems, routers, (WiFi), specialty computing, etc.

Storage arrays, fibre channel switches, BEVs, Alexas, smartphones, etc.

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On 2025-12-23 08:40, Nomen Nescio wrote:

On 20 Dec 2025, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> posted some news:%nA1R.30545$MzT8.21533@fx47.iad:

On 2025-12-19 12:02, Donald Duck wrote:

You mean you haven't, better digest this...

With many years of avoiding windows altogether (with less than 100%
success), and just as many years attempting to use Linux as a full time
personal desktop system, I can say categorically that it does not fit my
use case at all.

Mac OS has been (since I left Win ca. 2006) a better and better
experience in all ways as time marches on.

Unless you have to do some actual work while also connecting seamlessly
to multiple dissimilar information systems, then you must use Windows

All the _actual_ work I do in Word, Excel, Powerpoint, various photo
editors (and now some video), custom apps, IDE's (for
Mac+Linux/Unix+Windows), and many, many more all run very nicely on Mac OS.

Windows (and some Linux) lovers seem to think that Macs aren't actually
used for anything at all.

My company does have some utilities that are Windows only, I can run
them remotely on company Windows work stations when needed (which for me
is not all that often).

See * below for some recent news on Apple in the AI world in an
unexpected way.

I have to use Linux for some purposes - but so seldom that they run in a
VM on my 2012 iMac under Fusion.

Linux is best where not seen: servers, database, utility devices
(modems, routers, (WiFi), specialty computing, etc.

Storage arrays, fibre channel switches, BEVs, Alexas, smartphones, etc.

Yes - near endless list. But I wouldn't call Android "Linux" anymore
than I would call iOS "Unix" - they've both drifted too far afield.

To point, where MacOS is certified UNIX 03 compliant, and Linux is not certified as Unix compliant at all; neither iOS or Android is certified
Unix compliant.

*Macs getting serious cluster capabilities for AI as of MacOS 26.2
taking full advantage of Thunderbolt 5 and unified memory: https://youtu.be/A0onppIyHEg and several other YouTubers have received
this 4xMacStudio rig from Apple to try for a few months.
Apple stealth mode still exists it appears...
(Not at all cheap, mind you).

I expect that this "arrangement" can also be used for non-AI
compute/memory heavy tasks.
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"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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