Freezing rain is no fun, even for people (semi-)accustomed to
winter confitions: ice - essentially no grip when walking.
Freezing drizzle or freezing fog is even worse...as it doesn't
take much of it to cause problems.
The sneaky form if ice! At least with regular ice one can see
it and (hopefully!) slow down, walk gingerly, etc. Black ice:
wham! surprise!
Not the way to get another crack in your butt. :P
Of course! I wouldn't say all of them were careless: some
cautious but Physics got the best of them.
I think I need to clean my glasses...I thought that said
"psychics"... but I guess they didn't see the danger coming. <G>
We're having a "First Alert Weekend", or a least one of the
local TV stations uses that name -- this morning (Saturday)
it's 7 , with a wind chill of -5 , Those will also be the high
through Monday morning.
In the south, you get far more instances of hypothermia and
fires. People don't dress for the weather and the cold...or in
the case of fires, they let creosote build up into the chimney
from previous fires...or their pipes froze, and they used a
blowtorch to thaw them out.
Creosote is what they put on the wooden crossties on top of the
ballast, that support the rails for train travel, to keep the
ties from rotting. I love the smell of it, but it's EXTREMELY
CORROSIVE. Many railroads are going to concrete crossties now.
While they are more expensive than the wooden ones, they last
much longer.
... HELP!! MY KEYBOARD CAPS LOCK KEY IS STUCK!!
Stop yelling! It's not that great of an emergency!!
If I don't finish this QWK mail soon, I won't make it to the
potty in time. :P
Drove in a storm to get a part for my computer. It was a hard drive.
Hard Disk?? Lady, I misunderstood you!!
Junior!! Quit playing with your floppy!!
As I told Mike over in Weather I ended up getting around 9" of
a heavier snow. We shovelled several times, first time was
intending to mainly make a path for the mailman from one
neighbour to another (they both also do paths) -- I forgot to
tell Mike while we were out there sort of decided may as well
continue so do the whole thing. Midafternoon and the following
morning did more.
We had freezing rain on Monday, then some rain and sleet Thursday.
The higher elevations got snowfall.
The biggest problem overnight is black ice.
Of course, there were wrecks from careless drivers.
What's weird is Bozeman just got rain, and here in Billings,
usually the last place to get snow in the whole state, we got a
foot in about six hours! Plus it blew all over. Supposed to be
in the 50s next week, maybe I won't have to shovel it.
As I told Mike over in Weather I ended up getting around 9" of
a heavier snow. We shovelled several times, first time was
intending to mainly make a path for the mailman from one
neighbour to another (they both also do paths) -- I forgot to
tell Mike while we were out there sort of decided may as well
continue so do the whole thing. Midafternoon and the following
morning did more.
We had freezing rain on Monday, then some rain and sleet
Thursday. The higher elevations got snowfall.
The biggest problem overnight is black ice.
Of course, there were wrecks from careless drivers.
... HELP!! MY KEYBOARD CAPS LOCK KEY IS STUCK!!
Ky,
KM> What's weird is Bozeman just got rain, and here in Billings,
KM> usually the last place to get snow in the whole state, we got a
KM> foot in about six hours! Plus it blew all over. Supposed to be
KM> in the 50s next week, maybe I won't have to shovel it.
You don't have to shovel rain. :)
It'll go below freezing tonight, and won't be back above freezing
until Monday afternoon. Then, we have a chance of thunderstorms by
Thursday.
I just don't want the winter to be only 1 month in duration, then
tornado season starts 2 months early.
Freezing rain is no fun, even for people (semi-)accustomed to
winter confitions: ice - essentially no grip when walking.
The sneaky form if ice! At least with regular ice one can see
it and (hopefully!) slow down, walk gingerly, etc. Black ice:
wham! surprise!
Of course! I wouldn't say all of them were careless: some
cautious but Physics got the best of them.
We're having a "First Alert Weekend", or a least one of the
local TV stations uses that name -- this morning (Saturday)
it's 7 , with a wind chill of -5 , Those will also be the high
through Monday morning.
... HELP!! MY KEYBOARD CAPS LOCK KEY IS STUCK!!
Stop yelling! It's not that great of an emergency!!
Drove in a storm to get a part for my computer. It was a hard drive.
Oh Goodie: second-hand snow flakes! Update: yesterday's and ths
morning's forecast is for 8" along the Missouri border, 11" inches the Wisconsin border, and 8-10" here. Started snowing around 9 o'clock last night and continue to mid-day Sunday
Oh Goodie: second-hand snow flakes! Update: yesterday's and ths
morning's forecast is for 8" along the Missouri border, 11" inches the Wisconsin border, and 8-10" here. Started snowing around 9 o'clock last night and continue to mid-day Sunday
A good 8" fluffy pile in my part of central Ontario (south of
Algonquin Park)
<Ad-man hawking> "New! For Christmas! Holly-decorated donut-pillows!
Also available in Christmas trees, angels tooting, Minorahs to light!"
I think I need to clean my glasses...I thought that said
"psychics"... but I guess they didn't see the danger coming. <G>
You must have Dionne Warwick playing on your phonograph! (Spokeswoman
for the Psyhic Hotline ages ago -- the company went bankrupt.)
<Ad-man hawking> "New! For Christmas! Holly-decorated donut-pillows!
Also available in Christmas trees, angels tooting, Minorahs to light!"
Since you mention it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VuN4P7897k
I think I need to clean my glasses...I thought that said "psychics"... but I guess they didn't see the danger coming. <G>You must have Dionne Warwick playing on your phonograph! (Spokeswoman
for the Psychic Hotline ages ago -- the company went bankrupt.)
I had forgotten that she did that. I wonder why the hotline
could not foresee their bankruptcy before they went into
business? :D
Agree: with snow can push through and get some grip whereas the
frozen layer is solid with nothing to grasp.
<Ad-man hawking> "New! For Christmas! Holly-decorated
donut-pillows! Also available in Christmas trees, angels
tooting, Minorahs to light!"
(Sinc you;ve been reasonably good this year I've left you a few
openings!)
You must have Dionne Warwick playing on your phonograph!
(Spokeswoman for the Psyhic Hotline ages ago -- the company
went bankrupt.)
Right: part of the problem is if not used to cold don't have
the clothes, removal hardware like shovels and ice scrapers.
As for the creosote and blowtorches, they do the same in the
cold parts of the country.
The news reported a fire in a homeowner's shed - homeless
person went in, apparently lit a fire in the grill to keep
warm, something managed to catch fire. Homeowner hadn't a clue
someone was in his shed.
My parents had a terraced retaining wall made from old railroad
ties. Hired someone to do the job; Dad explained what he
wanted, maybe a sketch -- I was probably in 3rd Grade at the
time so not really in on it.
Guy built it, quite proud of the exacting results: even tiers,
flat terraces.... From street level looked like one continuous
12-15 foot wall! ...Dad paid. Parents rebuilt with visual
spacing and angled terraces: muuuuch better!
If I don't finish this QWK mail soon, I won't make it to the
potty in time. :P
Reading or typing?
I ain't no lady, bub!
Mother!! Quit playing with your joystick!!
I had forgotten that she did that. I wonder why the hotline
could not foresee their bankruptcy before they went into
business? :D
Now I'm wondering if I should try to set up a meeting with
Snoop and Martha before they expand their holiday-decorated
toilet seat with my holly hemmorroid pillow! ...Ooo! Can also
be used to tube-sled down hills!
Barry,
BM> Agree: with snow can push through and get some grip whereas the
BM> frozen layer is solid with nothing to grasp.
You can good traction with snow chains, and if the snow is packed
down. But, when it melts and refreezes, that's when the problems go
into high gear.
Been on that sort of road... even with tire chains, 10mph was hazardous....
Ky,
KM> Been on that sort of road... even with tire chains, 10mph was
KM> hazardous....
Around here (and in many other areas), so many folks think that they
can stop just as quick on a wet, snowy, or icy pavement...as they can
on dry pavement.
Guess who never took physics in school??
Agree: with snow can push through and get some grip whereas the
frozen layer is solid with nothing to grasp.
You can good traction with snow chains, and if the snow is
packed down. But, when it melts and refreezes, that's when the
problems go into high gear.
<Ad-man hawking> "New! For Christmas! Holly-decorated
donut-pillows! Also available in Christmas trees, angels
tooting, Minorahs to light!"
(Since you've been reasonably good this year I've left you a few openings!)
As I noted in another message, there was a meme where Santa
Claus said "I've been watching you all year. You're not only
naughty... you're mentally disturbed!!".
You must have Dionne Warwick playing on your phonograph!
One of her songs was "Promises, Promises". <G>
(Spokeswoman for the Psyhic Hotline ages ago -- the company
went bankrupt.)
Why do the folks on Psychic Hotline ask for your name??
Right: part of the problem is if not used to cold don't have
the clothes, removal hardware like shovels and ice scrapers.
In south Florida, when it drops below 70s, the winter gear
comes out!!
As for the creosote and blowtorches, they do the same in the
cold parts of the country.
You can preach fire safety all year long, but for some folks,
it never "registers".
The news reported a fire in a homeowner's shed - homeless
person went in, apparently lit a fire in the grill to keep
warm, something managed to catch fire. Homeowner hadn't a clue
someone was in his shed.
Bummer.
My parents had a terraced retaining wall made from old railroad
ties. Hired someone to do the job; Dad explained what he
wanted, maybe a sketch -- I was probably in 3rd Grade at the
time so not really in on it.
Guy built it, quite proud of the exacting results: even tiers,
flat terraces.... From street level looked like one continuous
12-15 foot wall! ...Dad paid. Parents rebuilt with visual
spacing and angled terraces: muuuuch better!
Interesting.
If I don't finish this QWK mail soon, I won't make it to the
potty in time. :P
Reading or typing?
I multitask -- I read in the bathroom. <G>
I ain't no lady, bub!
Only if you have to play the girls part in a skit.
Mother!! Quit playing with your joystick!!
Or the kid finds his Mom's dildo (I thought that was money for
buying pickles <G>), and he puts it on his nose. Then, he walks
into the living room where his Mom and other ladies are, and he
has that on his nose...saying "Look, Mom!! I'm a unicorn!!". <G>
Now I'm wondering if I should try to set up a meeting with
Snoop and Martha before they expand their holiday-decorated
toilet seat with my holly hemmorroid pillow! ...Ooo! Can also
be used to tube-sled down hills!
Moon-Bounce: When your butt cheeks fly up from the cold toilet
seat!! <G>
Hi Daryl!
BM> Agree: with snow can push through and get some grip whereas the
BM> frozen layer is solid with nothing to grasp.
DS> You can good traction with snow chains, and if the snow is
DS> packed down. But, when it melts and refreezes, that's when the
DS> problems go into high gear.
No! Use low gear!! When I first moved to Iowa from New Hampshire did
the seasonal change of tires from the 'summer tread' to using studded
tires for the winter -- on in the Fall, off in the Spring. I guess the
studs provided extra traction: not sure as I tried to avoid being
No! Use low gear!! When I first moved to Iowa from New
Hampshire did the seasonal change of tires from the 'summer
tread' to using studded tires for the winter -- on in the Fall,
off in the Spring. I guess the studs provided extra traction:
not sure as I tried to avoid being driving moves to loose
traction. Know I was driving from undergrad college to my
parents' house on the other side of town during an ice storm --
no choice of timing. Highway wasn't bad: relatively flat and
everyone was safely creeping alone. ...Almost to parents:
calculating the right angle I'll have to make -- up a short
incline of about four feet! Too slow and I won't make it; too
fast and slide into the retaining wall. Calculated it
reasonably: pretty much middle of the driveway but I couldn't
get up into the park section: lost traction even with studded
tires. Parked where I was, hope the car didn't slide down the
inclide into the street, and shuffled on the ice inside.
And that conclusion took until about January 10th!
You must have Dionne Warwick playing on your phonograph!
One of her songs was "Promises, Promises". <G>
BTDT! Got the disappointment.
Umm, same way doctors, nurses, technicians, etc., ask: they
know who you are but do you know who you are?!
It's all relative!
I think it's mostly because they hadn't learned the basics, and
that's one of those no one's fault yet is everyone's fault.
Plug electric item into outlet - works! The cord is supplied
so don't have to think about overloading. The problem is if
need an extension: "get an extension cord". Some figure at
least the same size (thickness), other's just do "extension
cord" and stop there. I knew someone who wanted to use a zip
cord as an extension for a window air conditioner.
The good news was the homeless person was unharmed and taken to
a shelter. I don't know if he was charged with anything. Bad
news is of course the damage to the shed. I could see how the
homeowner would not know if someone was in there: my shed is in
the back corner of the yard. Harder to access because of
various fences but unless see footprints I wouldn't suspect
anything.
As long as not that How To Potty book!
So in the skit wearing a skirt -- which could be skirting the
issue.
I thought it was Pinnochio with the nose and a unicorn dildo
BM> Agree: with snow can push through and get some grip whereas the
BM> frozen layer is solid with nothing to grasp.
DS> You can good traction with snow chains, and if the snow is
DS> packed down. But, when it melts and refreezes, that's when the
DS> problems go into high gear.
No! Use low gear!! When I first moved to Iowa from New Hampshire did
My big truck has so much torque in first that it tries to move
the whole road. On ice I have to use 2nd.
the seasonal change of tires from the 'summer tread' to using studded
tires for the winter -- on in the Fall, off in the Spring. I guess the studs provided extra traction: not sure as I tried to avoid being
Studs are great, but slope is stronger...
traction. Know I was driving from undergrad college to my
parents' house on the other side of town during an ice storm --
no choice of timing. Highway wasn't bad: relatively flat and
everyone was safely creeping alone. ...Almost to parents:
calculating the right angle I'll have to make -- up a short
incline of about four feet! Too slow and I won't make it; too
fast and slide into the retaining wall. Calculated it
reasonably: pretty much middle of the driveway but I couldn't
get up into the park section: lost traction even with studded
tires. Parked where I was, hope the car didn't slide down the
incline into the street, and shuffled on the ice inside.
I had a wreck on the ice in freezing rain in 1978, when the car windshield iced over. After that, if weather was an issue, I
stayed home. Now, that I no longer can drive or have a car, I
won't even call Lyft drivers on those days. Besides, if there's
snow and ice, the medical clinics won't be open anyway.
He works one day a year, then spends the rest of the time
watching us. :P
Umm, same way doctors, nurses, technicians, etc., ask: they
know who you are but do you know who you are?!
At least I don't have my ID marks on my butt. :P
It's all relative!
In Arkansas, schools shut down at a few flakes of snow. Up
north, it has to be a virtual blizzard.
Speaking of which, I saw a HIGH RISK of both excessive rain in
the lower elevations of southern California, and excessive snow
(over 8 feet, with 100 mph winds) in the Sierras. Donner Pass
will be a travel nightmare!!
I think it's mostly because they hadn't learned the basics, and
that's one of those no one's fault yet is everyone's fault.
Plug electric item into outlet - works! The cord is supplied
so don't have to think about overloading. The problem is if
need an extension: "get an extension cord". Some figure at
least the same size (thickness), other's just do "extension
cord" and stop there. I knew someone who wanted to use a zip
cord as an extension for a window air conditioner.
Or they use a penny for a fuse. Not a good idea.
So in the skit wearing a skirt -- which could be skirting the
issue.
Never mind dress down Fridays.
Hi Ky!
> No! Use low gear!! When I first moved to Iowa from New Hampshire did
KM> My big truck has so much torque in first that it tries to move
KM> the whole road. On ice I have to use 2nd.
Probably right -- depends on the vehicle but want whatever does slow and steady. Peeling out on ice isn't a good thing!
KM> Studs are great, but slope is stronger...
Yup! I'm not sure how much additional traction the studs gave, but then
we also need to consider back then the tire treads were different than
they are now.
> No! Use low gear!! When I first moved to Iowa from New Hampshire did
KM> My big truck has so much torque in first that it tries to move
KM> the whole road. On ice I have to use 2nd.
Probably right -- depends on the vehicle but want whatever does slow and steady. Peeling out on ice isn't a good thing!
Peeling the pavement off the road is also frowned upon!!
I did a winter in Boise (where the winter roads are an icy mess)
in that truck with bald highway tires, and it was still pretty
decent -- I slid around less than most. It's no good on
washboards, tho, dirt or ice -- suspension is so stiff that it
bounces sideways, plus those 10-ply tires are stiff as trees.
Now it has Cooper all-terrains and they are great. They were also
the choice-of-one in Made in USA (Chinese tires crack) and a
doable size on the dual rear wheels, so they don't 'kiss' when
they flex. They are now 12 years old, about 30k miles, and still
almost like new.
KM> Studs are great, but slope is stronger...
Yup! I'm not sure how much additional traction the studs gave, but then
we also need to consider back then the tire treads were different than
they are now.
A WHOLE LOT of extra traction. I wish I'd held out for studded on
the little truck, but couldn't find any on short notice, so went
with Blizzaks, and I hate them. Better than regular tires, doable
with 4WD, but not nearly in the league with studded, and might
have been as well to get Wrangler's deep-tread all-terrain. (It
needs new summer tires anyway. The ones that came on it have lots
of tread, but are Chinese tires with rubber that's gone hard, and
NO GRIP on wet pavement never mind snow. Never buy Chinese tires.
They are junk.)
Put your studded tires on ALL FOUR WHEELS, even on a
2-wheel-drive vehicle. Makes a world of difference. With four
studdeds I could not skid the Olds on glare ice even if I worked
at it. Could stop dead on wet ice almost as fast as on dry
pavement. (And then I got 6-ply tires for it, and it no longer
needed winter tires at all.)
Hi Ky!
> > No! Use low gear!! When I first moved to Iowa from New Hampshire did
> KM> My big truck has so much torque in first that it tries to move
> KM> the whole road. On ice I have to use 2nd.
> Probably right -- depends on the vehicle but want whatever does slow and
> steady. Peeling out on ice isn't a good thing!
KM> Peeling the pavement off the road is also frowned upon!!
But might get soften some of the potholes edges!
KM> I did a winter in Boise (where the winter roads are an icy mess)
KM> in that truck with bald highway tires, and it was still pretty
KM> decent -- I slid around less than most. It's no good on
KM> washboards, tho, dirt or ice -- suspension is so stiff that it
KM> bounces sideways, plus those 10-ply tires are stiff as trees.
I'm thinking maybe the baldness of your tires gave more contact with the
road, As for that stiffness, uncomfortable, but gets the job done! I
would suppose there is a reason for choosing the super-stuff suspension
and use of twn-ply tires. Off the list is cruising down to the
early-bird special!
KM> Now it has Cooper all-terrains and they are great. They were also
KM> the choice-of-one in Made in USA (Chinese tires crack) and a
KM> doable size on the dual rear wheels, so they don't 'kiss' when
KM> they flex. They are now 12 years old, about 30k miles, and still
KM> almost like new.
Good investment!
KM> NO GRIP on wet pavement never mind snow. Never buy Chinese tires.
KM> They are junk.)
I'll try not to but IIRC the last two times I purchased tires (two
different shops) I had a choice of two because of the size: seems like they're a 13 - 9 (??). I remember when I first got the car and people commented on the small diameter wheels: "you can replace all for for
$100!". Because of the width closer to $100 each.
KM> 2-wheel-drive vehicle. Makes a world of difference. With four
KM> studdeds I could not skid the Olds on glare ice even if I worked
KM> at it. Could stop dead on wet ice almost as fast as on dry
KM> pavement. (And then I got 6-ply tires for it, and it no longer
KM> needed winter tires at all.)
Right: if rear-wheel drive then it seems to make sense to only have to
put them on the 'move it' wheels. Front wheels are doing the steering.
..Even with front wheel drive with the front wheels are doing the
steering and pulling still a good idea to have additional traction on
the rear wheels so they don't go flailing when cornering.
Up north, it has to be a virtual blizzard.
Donner Pass will be a travel nightmare!!
Or they use a penny for a fuse. Not a good idea.
Re: Re: snow..
By: Daryl Stout to Barry Martin on Tue Dec 23 2025 16:00:21
> Up north, it has to be a virtual blizzard.
Cause the real ones they totally ignore, at least that's what the college I work at did. Generally it went, if the Chancellor could get to work then so should everybody else. Course, he lived within walking distance to his office, so there had to be at least 4-6" ON THE GROUND before he'd make the call.
As for the Lyft/Uber/taxi (etc. ?) drivers, I wouldn't call them in bad conditions either.
if the weather is nasty they should forgive the cancellation fee.
> > No! Use low gear!! When I first moved to Iowa from New Hampshireid
> KM> My big truck has so much torque in first that it tries to move
> KM> the whole road. On ice I have to use 2nd.
> Probably right -- depends on the vehicle but want whatever does slow and
> steady. Peeling out on ice isn't a good thing!
KM> Peeling the pavement off the road is also frowned upon!!
But might get soften some of the potholes edges!
Or make 'em a whole lot bigger!
KM> I did a winter in Boise (where the winter roads are an icy mess)
KM> in that truck with bald highway tires, and it was still pretty
KM> decent -- I slid around less than most. It's no good on
KM> washboards, tho, dirt or ice -- suspension is so stiff that it
KM> bounces sideways, plus those 10-ply tires are stiff as trees.
I'm thinking maybe the baldness of your tires gave more contact with the
Actually no, made it slicker. Advantage was mostly the dual rear
wheels (THERE is a big contact patch) and that the rear end is
heavy enough to balance the front.
And that it's got a really good 2nd gear for going slow.
road, As for that stiffness, uncomfortable, but gets the job done! I
would suppose there is a reason for choosing the super-stuff suspension
and use of twn-ply tires. Off the list is cruising down to the
early-bird special!
Stiff so it can handle big loads. That was the whole point of
this truck, a heavy tow vehicle for when I moved. But I love
driving it too. I prefer everything on the stiff side, better
road feel, but it's not so good when the road is super rough.
I put half a ton of feed in the back, or 4000 pounds of trailer
on the hitch, and it doesn't even NOTICE.
KM> Now it has Cooper all-terrains and they are great. They were also
KM> the choice-of-one in Made in USA (Chinese tires crack) and a
KM> doable size on the dual rear wheels, so they don't 'kiss' when
KM> they flex. They are now 12 years old, about 30k miles, and still
KM> almost like new.
Good investment!
Yeah, especially at $1200 ($1800 in today's money) for the set of
six. They'd BETTER last!!
I have seen American-made tires (sujpercheap trailer tires at
that) still good at 50+ years old. Chinese tires are why now the recommendation is replace 'em every five years.
KM> NO GRIP on wet pavement never mind snow. Never buy Chinese tires.
KM> They are junk.)
I'll try not to but IIRC the last two times I purchased tires (two
different shops) I had a choice of two because of the size: seems like they're a 13 - 9 (??). I remember when I first got the car and people commented on the small diameter wheels: "you can replace all for for
$100!". Because of the width closer to $100 each.
Small wheels wear out tires faster.... it's done to reduce
weight, same as the low profile tires. Not for the advantage of
the car or driver.
Same as all the "innovations" of the past
thirty years, really, because that's how they make CAFE standards
for fuel economy.
KM> Put your studded tires on ALL FOUR WHEELS, even on a
KM> 2-wheel-drive vehicle. Makes a world of difference. With four
KM> studdeds I could not skid the Olds on glare ice even if I worked
KM> at it. Could stop dead on wet ice almost as fast as on dry
KM> pavement. (And then I got 6-ply tires for it, and it no longer
KM> needed winter tires at all.)
Right: if rear-wheel drive then it seems to make sense to only have to
put them on the 'move it' wheels. Front wheels are doing the steering.
Rear wheels losing traction is usually more recoverable than
front wheels losing traction.
However, the imbalance does you no
good either. All four wheels with traction is a very good
investment.
With the little truck, I visited the junkyard and came away with
four spare wheels for $100 (including two tires that will go on
the junk trailer) so I don't have to seasonally change tires,
just wheels.
..Even with front wheel drive with the front wheels are doing the
steering and pulling still a good idea to have additional traction on
the rear wheels so they don't go flailing when cornering.
With front wheel drive you are always towing, so if the rear
loses traction it wants to fishtail you into the ditch. Also why
with front wheel drive you never put a heavy load in the trunk
then expect to drive a straight line on a wet road. (Can you tell
how much I hate it??)
Hi Ky!
> But might get soften some of the potholes edges!
KM> Or make 'em a whole lot bigger!
Probably your answer is the more usual of the two. ,,,And I'm quite
sure I'm not the only one to have thought of this, but why don't the
road repair crews have a truck that heats up the asphalt (BTW, this
isn't done in winter!) at the crack to re-unite/re-combine the break;
use an asphalt filler as necessary. No holes for the water to get in
to, no freeze and splaying.
> I'm thinking maybe the baldness of your tires gave more contact with the
KM> Actually no, made it slicker. Advantage was mostly the dual rear
KM> wheels (THERE is a big contact patch) and that the rear end is
KM> heavy enough to balance the front.
OK: I was half-considering the racing tires which are (some are?)
essentially treadless. ...I'll admit to not watching all that much
racing.
KM> And that it's got a really good 2nd gear for going slow.
Slow is good! At least if something happens and traction is lost by
going slow one would just tap the guard rail, tree, moose <g> instead of body-slamming.
<chuckle> Years ago I was driving to visit a friend in Michigan.
Somewhere there was a patch of highway which was slightly rough -- not
to the degree of the corrugations warning of the side of the road but a
low vibration. Something happen to my car?? (Slight panic but nothing getting worse.) ...Car slowly passed me (I had on my cruise control, by
the consistency of the passing he must have also); we glanced at each
other, I don;t recall the details but I motioned questioning a bumpy
road and he motioned back yes. Whew! the road, not my car!
KM> I put half a ton of feed in the back, or 4000 pounds of trailer
KM> on the hitch, and it doesn't even NOTICE.
Whereas I put 40 pounds of groceries in my back seat.... <g> (It's a hatchback; I could put them in the 'trunk' but pretty much filled with
the emergency toolbox and a cardboard box of winter stuff.)
KM> Yeah, especially at $1200 ($1800 in today's money) for the set of
KM> six. They'd BETTER last!!
$200 a tire isn't a horrible price, especially for truck tires, but when comes to replacing multiple that's straining the credit card a bit.
KM> I have seen American-made tires (sujpercheap trailer tires at
KM> that) still good at 50+ years old. Chinese tires are why now the
KM> recommendation is replace 'em every five years.
LIS in an earlier message I don't have too much of a choice in which
tires I can buy (AFAIK two brands) but go for the better-to-best for
items like batteries and windshield wipers. I don't want to listen to
'uhgh! uhgh!' while trying to start my car in cold weather.
KM> Small wheels wear out tires faster.... it's done to reduce
KM> weight, same as the low profile tires. Not for the advantage of
KM> the car or driver.
A smaller diameter tires means it completes a rotation more often, so my
13" tires contact the road 1,000 times per mile whereas your bigger 20"
tires make only 800 contacts. (Pulling numbers out of the air.) More contacts wear out the tire faster.
I'm thinking there's another variable: I don't drive all that much, so I might go 50 miles a week whereas you do 500. My tires should
effectively last longer but they don't because of even more other
factors.
KM> Same as all the "innovations" of the past
KM> thirty years, really, because that's how they make CAFE standards
KM> for fuel economy.
When I traded in my first car back in ~1978 I immediately noticed how
small the brake pedal was! Original car: seemed like 12" wide (wasn't,
but by comparison); new car -- seemed like barely wider than the
accelerator pedal! Same with the hood: old: sturdy and heavy. New: lightweight and flimsy. ...Know some of that is to make the car lighter
for the fuel standards and some for the crumple zone stuff.
KM> Rear wheels losing traction is usually more recoverable than
KM> front wheels losing traction.
Rear end follows the front end. (?)
KM> With the little truck, I visited the junkyard and came away with
KM> four spare wheels for $100 (including two tires that will go on
KM> the junk trailer) so I don't have to seasonally change tires,
KM> just wheels.
Which seems to make sense: balance the tire + rim once, swap as the
whole unit,
KM> With front wheel drive you are always towing, so if the rear
KM> loses traction it wants to fishtail you into the ditch. Also why
KM> with front wheel drive you never put a heavy load in the trunk
KM> then expect to drive a straight line on a wet road. (Can you tell
KM> how much I hate it??)
So the groceries in my rear seats makes sense! <g> Actually, yes: a
heavy load at the rear will make the front end pull up, so less traction
for steering.
.. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.
As for the Lyft/Uber/taxi (etc. ?) drivers, I wouldn't call them in bad conditions either.
Unless you have to, which I did one snowy, slippery morning when
my bus to work didnt' show up. Wasn't thrilled with the idea,
but ya gotta what ya gotta do.
if the weather is nasty they should forgive the cancellation fee.
I've never heard of a clinic having such a thing. If your
referring to Urgent Care centers, they don't have such a thing as
their business is, I believe, all walk-in.
Right: if don't need to be out in the nasty conditions don't
be. In my situation was driving home from college and what
started off as rain turned to an icy rain.
As for the Lyft/Uber/taxi (etc. ?) drivers, I wouldn't call
them in bad conditions either. I'm thinking the medical
clinics might be open -- depends on when the bad weather
started relative to their opening hours -- if the weather is
nasty they should forgive the cancellation fee.
He works one day a year, then spends the rest of the time
watching us. :P
Tom. Peeping Tom.
I think I have a scar back there.
LIS, it's all relative! We'll do early dismissals or close
schools when it gets in the upper 90's. Older buildings were
built without air conditioning and between Mother Nature's heat
and the heat given off by crowded classrooms get a bit toasty.
Will the restaurant be serving arm roast, leg of Ian, kidney
pie?
And dress up on Marilyn Monroe Mondays?!
> But might get soften some of the potholes edges!
KM> Or make 'em a whole lot bigger!
Probably your answer is the more usual of the two. ,,,And I'm quite
sure I'm not the only one to have thought of this, but why don't the
road repair crews have a truck that heats up the asphalt (BTW, this
isn't done in winter!) at the crack to re-unite/re-combine the break;
use an asphalt filler as necessary. No holes for the water to get in
to, no freeze and splaying.
It's sometimes done, but it's tough to get it to "take" in
winter. You really can't get a good enough seal in summer, never
mind in winter.
> I'm thinking maybe the baldness of your tires gave more contact with the
KM> Actually no, made it slicker. Advantage was mostly the dual rear
KM> wheels (THERE is a big contact patch) and that the rear end is
KM> heavy enough to balance the front.
OK: I was half-considering the racing tires which are (some are?) essentially treadless. ...I'll admit to not watching all that much
racing.
The tires that came with it were nearly racing slicks...
<chuckle> Years ago I was driving to visit a friend in Michigan.
Somewhere there was a patch of highway which was slightly rough -- not
to the degree of the corrugations warning of the side of the road but a
low vibration. Something happen to my car?? (Slight panic but nothing getting worse.) ...Car slowly passed me (I had on my cruise control, by
the consistency of the passing he must have also); we glanced at each
other, I don;t recall the details but I motioned questioning a bumpy
road and he motioned back yes. Whew! the road, not my car!
"Did I lose any parts??"
KM> I put half a ton of feed in the back, or 4000 pounds of trailer
KM> on the hitch, and it doesn't even NOTICE.
Whereas I put 40 pounds of groceries in my back seat.... <g> (It's a hatchback; I could put them in the 'trunk' but pretty much filled with
the emergency toolbox and a cardboard box of winter stuff.)
.... and it's full!!
KM> Yeah, especially at $1200 ($1800 in today's money) for the set of
KM> six. They'd BETTER last!!
$200 a tire isn't a horrible price, especially for truck tires, but when comes to replacing multiple that's straining the credit card a bit.
Yeah, made the blood squeeze out!
KM> I have seen American-made tires (sujpercheap trailer tires at
KM> that) still good at 50+ years old. Chinese tires are why now the
KM> recommendation is replace 'em every five years.
LIS in an earlier message I don't have too much of a choice in which
tires I can buy (AFAIK two brands) but go for the better-to-best for
items like batteries and windshield wipers. I don't want to listen to 'uhgh! uhgh!' while trying to start my car in cold weather.
The little truck has a battery conditioner permanently installed,
since the antitheft slowly drains it. Shell SBC400, great little
unit. Brought the battery back from worse than dead.
KM> Small wheels wear out tires faster.... it's done to reduce
KM> weight, same as the low profile tires. Not for the advantage of
KM> the car or driver.
A smaller diameter tires means it completes a rotation more often, so my
13" tires contact the road 1,000 times per mile whereas your bigger 20" tires make only 800 contacts. (Pulling numbers out of the air.) More contacts wear out the tire faster.
16", but since there are six of 'em...
I'm thinking there's another variable: I don't drive all that much, so I might go 50 miles a week whereas you do 500. My tires should
effectively last longer but they don't because of even more other
factors.
That does matter, tho a couple years ago, I only drove 200 miles
for the entire year!
But tire cracking and wear have nothing to do with each other.
Cracking happens because the rubber isn't properly treated
(vulcanized, and whatever else they do).
KM> Same as all the "innovations" of the past
KM> thirty years, really, because that's how they make CAFE standards
KM> for fuel economy.
When I traded in my first car back in ~1978 I immediately noticed how
small the brake pedal was! Original car: seemed like 12" wide (wasn't,
but by comparison); new car -- seemed like barely wider than the
accelerator pedal! Same with the hood: old: sturdy and heavy. New: lightweight and flimsy. ...Know some of that is to make the car lighter
for the fuel standards and some for the crumple zone stuff.
Yeah, they shaved off everything they could, including pedal
widths and the like. The little truck has such a small gas pedal
that I need to get something to put over it so I can FIND it. One
of those silly feet things, maybe. <g>
KM> Rear wheels losing traction is usually more recoverable than
KM> front wheels losing traction.
Rear end follows the front end. (?)
True, usually. Not true with front wheel drive and too much load
in the back. Then the rear end goes off the road and the front
follows!
KM> With front wheel drive you are always towing, so if the rear
KM> loses traction it wants to fishtail you into the ditch. Also why
KM> with front wheel drive you never put a heavy load in the trunk
KM> then expect to drive a straight line on a wet road. (Can you tell
KM> how much I hate it??)
So the groceries in my rear seats makes sense! <g> Actually, yes: a
heavy load at the rear will make the front end pull up, so less traction
for steering.
It's not that, it's momentum. Tenant's van was a good example.
Put dog food in the back and ... when it was raining, I'd kick
her out of the driver's seat, because rear wanted to whip the
whole van off the road, and at least I'm accustomed to towing
(she wasn't).
.. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.
And then I'm tired! <g>
Right: if don't need to be out in the nasty conditions don't
be. In my situation was driving home from college and what
started off as rain turned to an icy rain.
We had a line of heavy rain and strong winds ahead of a strong
arctic cold front this past Sunday...when it was in the mid 70s.
The next morning, it was in the upper 20s. There was some
lightning in areas northeast of Little Rock...but the worst of
the severe weather (tornadoes) was in portions of Illinois and
Indiana. Then, behind the system across much of Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, Iowa (your neck of the woods) Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan...there were huge amounts of snow, blizzard/whiteout
conditions, and a myriad of stranded motorists.
As for the Lyft/Uber/taxi (etc. ?) drivers, I wouldn't call
them in bad conditions either. I'm thinking the medical
clinics might be open -- depends on when the bad weather
started relative to their opening hours -- if the weather is
nasty they should forgive the cancellation fee.
If there's winter weather, many times the clincs won't be open,
as the staff can't make it in either.
He works one day a year, then spends the rest of the time
watching us. :P
Tom. Peeping Tom.
I saw a meme that noted "I've been watching you all year. Not
only have you been naughty, but you're mentally disturbed!!". I
emailed a lady friend, telling her "We've been found out!!" <G>.
I think I have a scar back there.
Well, it's not all it's cracked up to be. <G> Several years
ago, I had a benign cyst removed off the left butt cheek. It was
so deep that I needed home health care for 6 weeks to clean the
wound and repack the bandage, gauze, etc. until it healed. My
late mother-in-law said "You get to show your butt, and have it
rubbed". <G> Yet, the term "benign" means it could've become
cancerous.
LIS, it's all relative! We'll do early dismissals or close
schools when it gets in the upper 90's. Older buildings were
built without air conditioning and between Mother Nature's heat
and the heat given off by crowded classrooms get a bit toasty.
If they don't have the air conditioning in the warm months, and
the heater in cold months, it's not conducive to do much of
anything.
Will the restaurant be serving arm roast, leg of Ian, kidney
pie?
If you are what you eat, what about the guy who consistently
orders "rump roast"??
Along that line, a ham radio group had their monthly luncheon
at a restaurant in Kirkwood, Missouri (near St. Louis). One
member orders a pizza with everything (including jalapenos)...but
he wants it "extra crispy".
Normally at some restaurants, if it's a combo meal with a
number, the waitress usually just writes the number on the
ticket, and the chef knows what sandwich to prepare, and the
waitress gets the drink. For example, if the turkey sandwich is
#6, and they want extra pickles on it, the ticket to the chef may
show "6, Extra Pickles".
Back to the pizza, he had to keep sending it back, as it was
not done enough to his liking. So the note the waitress wrote
to the chef on the ticket, also made it to the receipt:
"Burnt To S***"!! <G>
And dress up on Marilyn Monroe Mondays?!
I saw where French movie star Bridget Bardot passed away.
Yes, what was kind of funny (for me - not the ones involved) is
the snow causing the pile-up ~100 miles west of me was barely
any snow here. Got the winds (50+ MPH), got the cold
temperatures (though air stayed in the teens), just barely
above a trace of snow.
Right. Patient should call in to be certain open. ...Just
watch for the auto-transfer: if one site doesn't answer their
phone call because of whatever reason will transfer to another
site.
And she invited you over?!
Then the worms 'be-ate-ing' you! ...There's a joke "everything
is cancer-causing, even swallowing small amounts of saliva over
long periods of time". Not meant to belittle but more it seems
no definitive cause and just keep on the look-out.
The heating systems are usually pretty robust, as in almost
sweat in the older buildings. Air conditioning being added
where can -- budgets for the small districts get really
stetched.
We don't like him: he's an a**.
"Burnt To S***"!! <G>
That's almost the story of how potato chips were created.
Yes, I read that the other day. I hadn't heard about her in
ages, though I'll also admit I don't follow the celebrities.
Yes, what was kind of funny (for me - not the ones involved) is
the snow causing the pile-up ~100 miles west of me was barely
any snow here. Got the winds (50+ MPH), got the cold
temperatures (though air stayed in the teens), just barely
above a trace of snow.
If the low pressure center goes 50 miles in either direction,
the entire forecast changes.
Right. Patient should call in to be certain open. ...Just
watch for the auto-transfer: if one site doesn't answer their
phone call because of whatever reason will transfer to another
site.
If I see winter weather may be an issue, I'll call 24 hours
out, and reschedule. If I can't make it in, they likely can't,
either. And, I won't bother calling Lyft for a ride, although if
I got the medical clinic ride from my HMO, I'll cancel it the day
before.
And she invited you over?!
I took her and her boyfriend to lunch late in 2024 and 2025.
They are technically engaged, but let's just say it's not the
best of relationships, and I'll leave it there. She still refers
to me as her best friend and confidant, but she has a ton of
problems (don't we all??!!).
Then the worms 'be-ate-ing' you! ...There's a joke "everything
is cancer-causing, even swallowing small amounts of saliva over
long periods of time". Not meant to belittle but more it seems
no definitive cause and just keep on the look-out.
I knew a woman who would swallow her medications with saliva.
No thanks, I'll wash mine down with plenty of beverage.
The heating systems are usually pretty robust, as in almost
sweat in the older buildings. Air conditioning being added
where can -- budgets for the small districts get really
stetched.
Never mind all the fraud going on otherwise.
Yes, I read that the other day. I hadn't heard about her in
ages, though I'll also admit I don't follow the celebrities.
I don't either. I have a hard enough time keeping up with me. <G>
Never mind all the fraud going on otherwise.
For some reason too true. Around here we've have numerous
cases of --now I can't think of the word -- anyway, stealing
or 'borrowing' money from school and town budgets. One may
have hit national headlines as she had several race horses.
For some reason too true. Around here we've have numerous
cases of --now I can't think of the word -- anyway, stealing
or 'borrowing' money from school and town budgets.
For some reason too true. Around here we've have numerous
cases of --now I can't think of the word -- anyway, stealing
or 'borrowing' money from school and town budgets. One may
have hit national headlines as she had several race horses.
Expropriation?
For some reason too true. Around here we've have numerous
cases of --now I can't think of the word -- anyway, stealing
or 'borrowing' money from school and town budgets.
Mis-apropriation? Re-allocation?
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