You missed your opportunity to Ky's comment about him getting a
foot of snow and offering some ==> it's unassembled snowmen!
It's called Sysop Senility. <G>
Years ago I had a doctor's appointment; at the time was
drizzling at the house but as I got closer (and the distance is
only five miles) started turning to freezing rain - great!
Turned the car heat to high, turn on defoggers -- did maintain
reasonably clear windows.
I had a wreck on the ice nearly 50 years ago, when freezing
rain started, and my windshield iced over.
About a quarter of the way there conditions getting worse - not
going and need to figure how to get back home. Trouble is, had
just gone down a hill and while could turn around glanced back
and looked like the drivers in the other lane were already
having troubles going up.
Some of these winter driving videos are wild. The practicing of
doing donuts in an empty parking lot can actually be helpful on
icy roads.
We know who wears the pants in that family!
If he's wearing the dress and girdle, there are problems.
You number your house windows? Actually a good idea if you
take down and wash all your screens at one time.
Well, I have SimpliSafe decals on each window. <G>
I currently have a Lenovo T61; at one time had Windows XP on it
(still has the sticker). Running Ubuntu 18.04 on it -- current
version is I think 25.10 but I don't think the laptop has the
hardware requirements so stopping at that version.
It's now just a brick. But, I may bring it and my working
laptop (with Windows 11) to the Hoxie, Arkansas hamfest...and
print out a sheet for each one, promoting a ham radio
organization.
Back to your Windows 11 issue, I'm thinking go back to whatever
version worked before (previous conversations you didn't want
to attempt to switch to Linux) and not worry about the
Microsoft security updates but rather put the laptop (and maybe
the rest of your system) behind a firewall -- built into the
router??
I can't even get the Lenovo computer to boot up...so it's a
brick.
My Xfinity modem is set to bridge mode, so I can run the BBS. I
have an external router for the home Wi-Fi.
There you go - maybe!
I had to set up a 2G WiFi deal for the alarm system, as it
would not handle 5G.
That's what my 3-ring binder is! Alphabetized! <g>
ZYXWVUTSRQPONMLKJIHGFEDCBA?? <G>
So the kindergarten buttons and snaps board?
H.A.M. -- Haven't Any Memory.
Seems like I'm getting the repackaged Hi-Line snow!
"Nope. Nope. Nope. Y--nope. YES! Nope."
I have an old laptop of which I added a dongle because the
internal one was mediocre at best.
"No it's not. The place is resting." To paraphrase the Monty
Python sketch.
Possibly. Here I've got two WiFi routers set to bridge mode.
666??!!
If there's no one around to snoop no need to have hidden!
So if we keep the brain puzzlers simple.... <snicker>
Algebra was easy for the Romans. X was always 10.
Or like the meme of the eagle, with the caption "I thought you'd like
to see my pecker". <G>
I used to have a Lenovo laptop, but it became a brick under Windows 11.
As in quit working, or as in Win11 wouldn't work?
We can make Win11 work on anything from a Core2Duo onward.
<evil grin>
Died laughing at the chicken strippers <g>
Or like the meme of the eagle, with the caption "I thought you'd like
to see my pecker". <G>
Heh, you should enter a talon show.
Seems like I'm getting the repackaged Hi-Line snow!
We had mostly freezing rain in the state yesterday...along with
a few wrecks on the elevated roads, bridges, and overpasses...but
that was to be expected.
"Nope. Nope. Nope. Y--nope. YES! Nope."
Sounds like the exchange between the husband and wife...where
the husband says "Yes, Dear" 3 times, followed by a "No, Dear".
Or, it's like the one at the Pearly Gates, where St. Peter asks
all of the men to form 2 lines. One line is for all the men who
were "henpecked" by their wives, and the other was for all the
men who were "master of the house".
The entire line shifted to the left, except for one frail old
man. When St. Peter asked him why he was the only one in the
small line, he replied "Because my wife told me to stand over
here". <G>
I have an old laptop of which I added a dongle because the
internal one was mediocre at best.
I used to have a Lenovo laptop, but it became a brick under
Windows 11.
My Xfinity modem is set to bridge mode, so I can run the BBS. I
have an external router for the home Wi-Fi.
If there's no one around to snoop no need to have hidden!
I prefer a password manager.
So if we keep the brain puzzlers simple.... <snicker>
Gray blond moment alert!!
Algebra was easy for the Romans. X was always 10.
One guy's wife asked him if she had been the only one he had
been with.
He replied "That's correct. All the rest were a 10". <G>
As in quit working, or as in Win11 wouldn't work?
Tried to do a fresh install of W11 on it...I think I should've
left it at W10.
We can make Win11 work on anything from a Core2Duo onward.
<evil grin>
With a Nerf Hammer and a stick of dynamite. <G>
Died laughing at the chicken strippers <g>
You look alive and well to me <g,d,r>
Several years ago I incresed the memory to max: a whopping 4 GB!
Swapped in a new solid state hard drive...1 TB -- I didn't remember putting in one that large...
Ky,
KM> As in quit working, or as in Win11 wouldn't work?
Tried to do a fresh install of W11 on it...I think I should've
left it at W10.
KM> We can make Win11 work on anything from a Core2Duo onward.
KM> <evil grin>
With a Nerf Hammer and a stick of dynamite. <G>
KM> Died laughing at the chicken strippers <g>
You look alive and well to me <g,d,r>
You missed your opportunity to Ky's comment about him getting a foot of
snow and offering some ==> it's unassembled snowmen!
You missed your opportunity to Ky's comment about him getting a
foot of snow and offering some ==> it's unassembled snowmen!
Years ago I had a doctor's appointment; at the time was
drizzling at the house but as I got closer (and the distance is
only five miles) started turning to freezing rain - great!
Turned the car heat to high, turn on defoggers -- did maintain
reasonably clear windows.
About a quarter of the way there conditions getting worse - not
going and need to figure how to get back home. Trouble is, had
just gone down a hill and while could turn around glanced back
and looked like the drivers in the other lane were already
having troubles going up.
Figure a semi-flat route to get back to the house. There is a
down-hill portion but no other choice. Drove that section with
my passeneger side wheels barely off the road and in the
break-down lane: still slick but the splashing from other cars
roughened the surface which gave me some traction.
Made it home safely.
We know who wears the pants in that family!
"Yes dear"!
You number your house windows? Actually a good idea if you
take down and wash all your screens at one time.
I currently have a Lenovo T61; at one time had Windows XP on it
(still has the sticker). Running Ubuntu 18.04 on it -- current
version is I think 25.10 but I don't think the laptop has the
hardware requirements so stopping at that version.
Several years ago I incresed the memory to max: a whopping 4
GB! Swapped in a new solid state hard drive <looking and taking
a second look> 1 TB -- I didn't remember putting in one that
large -- whopping 4% used! Must have been a good buy at the
time!
Back to your Windows 11 issue, I'm thinking go back to whatever
version worked before (previous conversations you didn't want
to attempt to switch to Linux) and not worry about the
Microsoft security updates but rather put the laptop (and maybe
the rest of your system) behind a firewall -- built into the
router??
My Xfinity modem is set to bridge mode, so I can run the BBS. I
have an external router for the home Wi-Fi.
There you go - maybe!
That's what my 3-ring binder is! Alphabetized! <g>
So the kindergarten buttons and snaps board?
What's his hospital room number?
What do you call a bucket of water with a carrot floating in
it?
A: a snowman. Some repairs needed.
You missed your opportunity to Ky's comment about him getting a foot of
snow and offering some ==> it's unassembled snowmen!
What do you call a bucket of water with a carrot floating in it?
A: a snowman. Some repairs needed.
Several years ago I incresed the memory to max: a whopping 4 GB!
I hope Max appreciated it.
Swapped in a new solid state hard drive...1 TB -- I didn't remember putting in one that large...
Hmmm, maybe you should keep that for yourself. :)
Hi Folks!
Not really ChitChat but as this is where we are congregating....
What I am considering is PoE. Swap out the wireless camera (put it elsewhere). I know to use outdoor-rated Ethernet cable; the big thing
Not really ChitChat but as this is where we are congregating....
Cuz we're all lost. <g>
What I am considering is PoE. Swap out the wireless camera (put it elsewhere). I know to use outdoor-rated Ethernet cable; the big thing
Make sure the cable is the real thing -- solid copper wire, not
aluminum coated with copper, which is a current common scam. It's
to where if it's not a known source, it's better to buy wire and
clips and make your own.
Having a similar aversion to holing the stucco, I ran the
starlink cable through an old electric service hole I found under
the current electric service box. So long as it's at right angles
to the flow of power it shouldn't interfere or overheat.
Hi Ky!
> Not really ChitChat but as this is where we are congregating....
KM> Cuz we're all lost. <g>
But I was following Mike!
> What I am considering is PoE. Swap out the wireless camera (put it
> elsewhere). I know to use outdoor-rated Ethernet cable; the big thing
KM> Make sure the cable is the real thing -- solid copper wire, not
KM> aluminum coated with copper, which is a current common scam. It's
KM> to where if it's not a known source, it's better to buy wire and
KM> clips and make your own.
Good tip on the metals. Even thought low voltage copper and aluminum
don't play nice.
KM> Having a similar aversion to holing the stucco, I ran the
KM> starlink cable through an old electric service hole I found under
KM> the current electric service box. So long as it's at right angles
KM> to the flow of power it shouldn't interfere or overheat.
I know there are not any 'secret passages': inside walls were replaced
when removed the original paneling. I did add an (electric) outlet plus
two Ethernet ports while the walls were open; never thought of needing
any outside!
future use inside
> Not really ChitChat but as this is where we are congregating....
KM> Cuz we're all lost. <g>
But I was following Mike!
Where's he going??
> What I am considering is PoE. Swap out the wireless camera (put it
> elsewhere). I know to use outdoor-rated Ethernet cable; the big thing
KM> Make sure the cable is the real thing -- solid copper wire, not
KM> aluminum coated with copper, which is a current common scam. It's
KM> to where if it's not a known source, it's better to buy wire and
KM> clips and make your own.
Good tip on the metals. Even thought low voltage copper and aluminum
don't play nice.
Mostly the complaint is that aluminum has such poor network
transmission qualities compared to copper that you end up
replacing the cable anyway. But I expect it might also overheat
used for PoE.
Came across many complaints while I was looking for a wholesale
source for the Starlink cable, which needs to do PoE
(snow-melting heater in the antenna). Fake (aluminum core) cables
abound. -- The cable they ship in the kit was way too short, and
I didn't like $150 for theirs at retail!
KM> Having a similar aversion to holing the stucco, I ran the
KM> starlink cable through an old electric service hole I found under
KM> the current electric service box. So long as it's at right angles
KM> to the flow of power it shouldn't interfere or overheat.
I know there are not any 'secret passages': inside walls were replaced
when removed the original paneling. I did add an (electric) outlet plus
two Ethernet ports while the walls were open; never thought of needing
any outside!
Yeah, I think if I were building a house nowadays, I'd include weatherproof portals for cables and such. Several of them. And
conduit big enough to drag cable through, if I had to.
Hi Ky!
> > Not really ChitChat but as this is where we are congregating....
> KM> Cuz we're all lost. <g>
> But I was following Mike!
KM> Where's he going??
I don't know but so far lookins interesting!
KM> Mostly the complaint is that aluminum has such poor network
KM> transmission qualities compared to copper that you end up
KM> replacing the cable anyway. But I expect it might also overheat
KM> used for PoE.
That would be bad! I'd think if they wanted to use aluminum to save
over copper the overheating problem is solved by using a thick gauge,
but then probably the reason for using aluminum over copper is to save
money, so using more aluminum tends to defeat the savings.
KM> Came across many complaints while I was looking for a wholesale
KM> source for the Starlink cable, which needs to do PoE
KM> (snow-melting heater in the antenna). Fake (aluminum core) cables
KM> abound. -- The cable they ship in the kit was way too short, and
KM> I didn't like $150 for theirs at retail!
Yesterday I purchased the supplies for the project: the outdoor-rated Ethernet cable is "100% pure copper" (even the insulation?!). The
material for the through-the-window adapter was not stated. There was
also a Starlink adaptor for some semi-astronomical amount.
KM> Yeah, I think if I were building a house nowadays, I'd include
KM> weatherproof portals for cables and such. Several of them. And
KM> conduit big enough to drag cable through, if I had to.
Right. When we built on the Master Bedroom I did run a low-voltage multi-conductor cable from the basement to the second floor (where the
bedroom is) in case needed. So far no. Should have run an Ethernet
line too just in case -- don't need (so far).
When remodelled the Dining Room/Family Room I did run a couple of
Ethernet cables -- one eventually was put into use.
Wireless is good - when it works!
.. WiFi Password `2444666668888888'. I get asked and say `12345678'!
Wireless is good - when it works!
It's not being done for savings. It's being done purely to cheat
consumers (one guess where they're made and who the vendors are). These
...it's an indication that "everyone's online". <G>
Re: Re: PoE Window Passthroug
By: Ky Moffet to Barry Martin on Sun Nov 23 2025 07:15:00
> It's not being done for savings. It's being done purely to cheat
> consumers (one guess where they're made and who the vendors are). These
China.
> It's not being done for savings. It's being done purely to cheat
> consumers (one guess where they're made and who the vendors are). Thes
China.
You win a banana!!
> > Not really ChitChat but as this is where we are congregating....
> KM> Cuz we're all lost. <g>
> But I was following Mike!
KM> Where's he going??
I don't know but so far looking interesting!
Well, now we're lost!
KM> Mostly the complaint is that aluminum has such poor network
KM> transmission qualities compared to copper that you end up
KM> replacing the cable anyway. But I expect it might also overheat
KM> used for PoE.
That would be bad! I'd think if they wanted to use aluminum to save
over copper the overheating problem is solved by using a thick gauge,
but then probably the reason for using aluminum over copper is to save money, so using more aluminum tends to defeat the savings.
It's not being done for savings. It's being done purely to cheat
consumers (one guess where they're made and who the vendors are).
These cables are advertised as being pure copper, are priced only
slightly below the real thing (but enough to attract unwary
buyers) and you only find out they're not when you get tons of
network errors and try replacing one of the ends, and find the
wire is not copper after all.
There are loads of angry reviews on Amazon.
KM> Came across many complaints while I was looking for a wholesale
KM> source for the Starlink cable, which needs to do PoE
KM> (snow-melting heater in the antenna). Fake (aluminum core) cables
KM> abound. -- The cable they ship in the kit was way too short, and
KM> I didn't like $150 for theirs at retail!
Yesterday I purchased the supplies for the project: the outdoor-rated Ethernet cable is "100% pure copper" (even the insulation?!). The
One wonders.... I think right now I'd only buy from Jacob's Parts
or one of the server supply houses, as they have a track record
and a customer base intolerant of busted network parts.
material for the through-the-window adapter was not stated. There was
also a Starlink adaptor for some semi-astronomical amount.
Current (gen3) Starlink equipment can take a standard plug (gen2
was proprietary), but the special plugs are designed to be
waterproof and to be both quite sticky in the port yet to be
unplugged with a firm yank, since once the antenna is installed
on a post, you can't reach the port anymore.
KM> Yeah, I think if I were building a house nowadays, I'd include
KM> weatherproof portals for cables and such. Several of them. And
KM> conduit big enough to drag cable through, if I had to.
Right. When we built on the Master Bedroom I did run a low-voltage multi-conductor cable from the basement to the second floor (where the
A which what?
bedroom is) in case needed. So far no. Should have run an Ethernet
line too just in case -- don't need (so far).
Famous last words!!
When remodelled the Dining Room/Family Room I did run a couple of
Ethernet cables -- one eventually was put into use.
SEE? <g>
Wireless is good - when it works!
Alas, WHEN it works. I need to get a repeater for the other
house. *sigh*
.. WiFi Password `2444666668888888'. I get asked and say `12345678'!
<scratching head>
Forgot my password. <g>
Wireless is good - when it works!
This is true...but when you have all the birds lined up
together on the utility line, it's an indication that "everyone's
online". <G>
Hi Ky!
I don't know but so far lookins interesting!
That would be bad! I'd think if they wanted to use aluminum to save
over copper the overheating problem is solved by using a thick gauge,
but then probably the reason for using aluminum over copper is to save
money, so using more aluminum tends to defeat the savings.
Yesterday I purchased the supplies for the project: the outdoor-rated Ethernet cable is "100% pure copper" (even the insulation?!). The
material for the through-the-window adapter was not stated. There was
also a Starlink adaptor for some semi-astronomical amount.
Right. When we built on the Master Bedroom I did run a low-voltage multi-conductor cable from the basement to the second floor (where the bedroom is) in case needed. So far no. Should have run an Ethernet
line too just in case -- don't need (so far).
When remodelled the Dining Room/Family Room I did run a couple of
Ethernet cables -- one eventually was put into use.
Wireless is good - when it works!
> <
> BarryMartin3@MyMetronet.NET <
> <
... WiFi Password `2444666668888888'. I get asked and say `12345678'!
--- MultiMail/Win32 v0.47
* wcECHO 4.2 = ILink: The Safe BBS * Bettendorf, IA
* RNET 2.10U: ILink: Techware BBS * Hollywood, Ca * www.techware2k.com
--- QScan/PCB v1.20a / 01-0462
* Origin: ILink: CFBBS | cfbbs.no-ip.com (454:1/1)
BM> Nah, you were just resting, like the parrot in the Monthy
BM> Python sketch.
DS> Never saw it.
The parrot was inside the cage. <stiffled laff>
...it's an indication that "everyone's online". <G>
And they're probably tweeting.
Wireless is good - when it works!
This is true...but when you have all the birds lined up
together on the utility line, it's an indication that "everyone's
online". <G>
Or just sitting in a row in the air: they're wireless!
... You know what really turns me on? Unprotected WiFi.
Hi Ky!
> > > Not really ChitChat but as this is where we are congregating....
> > KM> Cuz we're all lost. <g>
> > But I was following Mike!
> KM> Where's he going??
> I don't know but so far looking interesting!
KM> Well, now we're lost!
Nah: we're on an 'alternative route to our destination'!
> KM> Mostly the complaint is that aluminum has such poor network
> KM> transmission qualities compared to copper that you end up
> KM> replacing the cable anyway. But I expect it might also overheat
> KM> used for PoE.
> That would be bad! I'd think if they wanted to use aluminum to save
> over copper the overheating problem is solved by using a thick gauge,
> but then probably the reason for using aluminum over copper is to save
> money, so using more aluminum tends to defeat the savings.
KM> It's not being done for savings. It's being done purely to cheat
KM> consumers (one guess where they're made and who the vendors are).
KM> These cables are advertised as being pure copper, are priced only
KM> slightly below the real thing (but enough to attract unwary
KM> buyers) and you only find out they're not when you get tons of
KM> network errors and try replacing one of the ends, and find the
KM> wire is not copper after all.
KM> There are loads of angry reviews on Amazon.
Now you've got me concerned! Sould be OK: when I initially found the Ethernet cables did look at the reviews and were were good. The through-the-window adapter was mixed, which prompted me asking the
question here.
> KM> Came across many complaints while I was looking for a wholesale
> KM> source for the Starlink cable, which needs to do PoE
> KM> (snow-melting heater in the antenna). Fake (aluminum core) cables
> KM> abound. -- The cable they ship in the kit was way too short, and
> KM> I didn't like $150 for theirs at retail!
> Yesterday I purchased the supplies for the project: the outdoor-rated
> Ethernet cable is "100% pure copper" (even the insulation?!). The
KM> One wonders.... I think right now I'd only buy from Jacob's Parts
KM> or one of the server supply houses, as they have a track record
KM> and a customer base intolerant of busted network parts.
I had looked at JacobsParts for the through-the-window thing but didn't
find.
> material for the through-the-window adapter was not stated. There was
> also a Starlink adaptor for some semi-astronomical amount.
KM> Current (gen3) Starlink equipment can take a standard plug (gen2
KM> was proprietary), but the special plugs are designed to be
KM> waterproof and to be both quite sticky in the port yet to be
KM> unplugged with a firm yank, since once the antenna is installed
KM> on a post, you can't reach the port anymore.
That sounds like the start of a good news/bad news list! I'm thinking
maybe the port isn't available after installation as part of the design
to protect the port from water. Probably more the location of the
printed circuit board inside, but we'll make it sound good!
Better make sure the length of cable is right before mounting!
> KM> Yeah, I think if I were building a house nowadays, I'd include
> KM> weatherproof portals for cables and such. Several of them. And
> KM> conduit big enough to drag cable through, if I had to.
> Right. When we built on the Master Bedroom I did run a low-voltage
> multi-conductor cable from the basement to the second floor (where the
KM> A which what?
Which what?! <g> Presuming 'multi-conductor cable': instead of the
usual two or three wires (like for doorbell wiring) this has several --
I think my cable had eight.
Yup! The good news is I could run an Ethernet line from the Computer
Room (also on the second floor) through the Storage Area and the
adjacent wall of the Master Bedroom. The hardest part would be in the Storage Area because of, well, the storage!
> Wireless is good - when it works!
KM> Alas, WHEN it works. I need to get a repeater for the other
KM> house. *sigh*
OK, my turn for a question. I can think of three or four methods for repeating a signal: all radio: in one channel, out another. Wired:
Ethernet to the location and WiFi out (probably set to Bridge mode).
There's something called 'mesh' which from initial glances seemed more
for businesses or a huge house (mansion-sized).
> .. WiFi Password `2444666668888888'. I get asked and say `12345678'!
KM> <scratching head>
"2444666668888888" is made up of one two, three four's, five six's....
KM> Forgot my password. <g>
Set it to 'incorrect'. Type in what you think your password is, the
computer will respond "your password is incorrect": problem solved!
BM> Nah, you were just resting, like the parrot in the Monthy
BM> Python sketch.
DS> Never saw it.
The parrot was inside the cage. <stiffled laff>
Misread that as "stuffed laff" and had doubts about the parrot's
current viability. <g>
Yesterday I purchased the supplies for the project: the outdoor-rated Ethernet cable is "100% pure copper" (even the insulation?!). The
material for the through-the-window adapter was not stated. There was
also a Starlink adaptor for some semi-astronomical amount.
Right. When we built on the Master Bedroom I did run a low-voltage multi-conductor cable from the basement to the second floor (where the bedroom is) in case needed. So far no. Should have run an Ethernet
line too just in case -- don't need (so far).
When remodelled the Dining Room/Family Room I did run a couple of
Ethernet cables -- one eventually was put into use.
Barry, While reading what you and Ky talking about home wiring
jobs, I thought
about what I done once to run some coaxial cable from my Hamshack
in the
basement tothe antenn in the attic.
The Telephone wiringin the basement had hes drilled in the floor
above.So I
ranmy coax up along with the telephone wire and in the room
upstairs I removed
the.ounting plate off the wall and made a notch in the drywall
for the coax to
come out along the edge of that telephone jack mounting plate so
it would be
ran out of the doorway and up into the folding attic stairs
Liked your 12345678 Password, Even I could make sense of it
Hi Ky!
> The parrot was inside the cage. <stiffled laff>
KM> Misread that as "stuffed laff" and had doubts about the parrot's
KM> current viability. <g>
Well it is Thansgiving so 'stuffed' makes sense!
(Where's the comic about the aliens wondering abouth Earthlings taking
the guts out of pumpkins and then a month later stuffing stuff into turkeys?!)
> > > Not really ChitChat but as this is where we are congregating....
> > KM> Cuz we're all lost. <g>
> > But I was following Mike!
> KM> Where's he going??
> I don't know but so far looking interesting!
KM> Well, now we're lost!
Nah: we're on an 'alternative route to our destination'!
And possibly to an alternative destination!
> KM> Mostly the complaint is that aluminum has such poor network
> KM> transmission qualities compared to copper that you end up
> KM> replacing the cable anyway. But I expect it might also overheat
> KM> used for PoE.
> That would be bad! I'd think if they wanted to use aluminum to save
> over copper the overheating problem is solved by using a thick gauge,
> but then probably the reason for using aluminum over copper is to save
> money, so using more aluminum tends to defeat the savings.
KM> It's not being done for savings. It's being done purely to cheat
KM> consumers (one guess where they're made and who the vendors are).
KM> These cables are advertised as being pure copper, are priced only
KM> slightly below the real thing (but enough to attract unwary
KM> buyers) and you only find out they're not when you get tons of
KM> network errors and try replacing one of the ends, and find the
KM> wire is not copper after all.
KM> There are loads of angry reviews on Amazon.
Now you've got me concerned! Sould be OK: when I initially found the Ethernet cables did look at the reviews and were were good. The through-the-window adapter was mixed, which prompted me asking the
question here.
Yeah, a lot of this stuff is sheer junk anymore. There's so much counterfeit and poor copies that a known source is necessity. The
real test is did you get a good connection?
> KM> Came across many complaints while I was looking for a wholesale
> KM> source for the Starlink cable, which needs to do PoE
> KM> (snow-melting heater in the antenna). Fake (aluminum core) cables
> KM> abound. -- The cable they ship in the kit was way too short, and
> KM> I didn't like $150 for theirs at retail!
> Yesterday I purchased the supplies for the project: the outdoor-rated
> Ethernet cable is "100% pure copper" (even the insulation?!). The
KM> One wonders.... I think right now I'd only buy from Jacob's Parts
KM> or one of the server supply houses, as they have a track record
KM> and a customer base intolerant of busted network parts.
I had looked at JacobsParts for the through-the-window thing but didn't find.
Wait, is this a plug-on-each-end type thing? not just a sleeve??
> material for the through-the-window adapter was not stated. There was
> also a Starlink adaptor for some semi-astronomical amount.
KM> Current (gen3) Starlink equipment can take a standard plug (gen2
KM> was proprietary), but the special plugs are designed to be
KM> waterproof and to be both quite sticky in the port yet to be
KM> unplugged with a firm yank, since once the antenna is installed
KM> on a post, you can't reach the port anymore.
That sounds like the start of a good news/bad news list! I'm thinking
maybe the port isn't available after installation as part of the design
to protect the port from water. Probably more the location of the
printed circuit board inside, but we'll make it sound good!
The antenna, power brick, and router are all sealed units
designed to be out in the weather for whole-house wifi (wired
ethernet was a sad afterthought). I thought having the latter two
outdoors was needlessly risky, so they are inside. Which
necessitated a much longer ethernet cable but still needed a
weatherproof plug. (A regular plug works, but is not
weatherproof.)
Anyway the antenna mount and port are kinda all together on the
bottom of the antenna, so once the antenna is mounted it's tough
or impossible to get at the port, depending on which mount you
got (Starlink's own sucks, you need a third party mount).
> KM> Yeah, I think if I were building a house nowadays, I'd include
> KM> weatherproof portals for cables and such. Several of them. And
> KM> conduit big enough to drag cable through, if I had to.
> Right. When we built on the Master Bedroom I did run a low-voltage
> multi-conductor cable from the basement to the second floor (where the
KM> A which what?
Which what?! <g> Presuming 'multi-conductor cable': instead of the
usual two or three wires (like for doorbell wiring) this has several --
I think my cable had eight.
I thought ethernet cable always had eight. Phone is usually four.
Yup! The good news is I could run an Ethernet line from the Computer
Room (also on the second floor) through the Storage Area and the
adjacent wall of the Master Bedroom. The hardest part would be in the Storage Area because of, well, the storage!
For what do you need ethernet in there? got someone chained in
the basement we need to know about? :P
> Wireless is good - when it works!
KM> Alas, WHEN it works. I need to get a repeater for the other
KM> house. *sigh*
OK, my turn for a question. I can think of three or four methods for repeating a signal: all radio: in one channel, out another. Wired:
Ethernet to the location and WiFi out (probably set to Bridge mode).
There's something called 'mesh' which from initial glances seemed more
for businesses or a huge house (mansion-sized).
Yeah, mesh, repeaters, not sure where if any the difference.
I asked TP-Link (I have four of their 8-port switches, and
previous good experience with their tech support) and they
recommended this: https://www.tp-link.com/us/deco-mesh-wifi/product-family/deco-x50- outdoor/
> .. WiFi Password `2444666668888888'. I get asked and say `12345678'!
KM> <scratching head>
"2444666668888888" is made up of one two, three four's, five six's....
Ah! <smacks forehead>
KM> Forgot my password. <g>
Set it to 'incorrect'. Type in what you think your password is, the
computer will respond "your password is incorrect": problem solved!
LOL, I need to use that one. <g>
Hi Ky!
> > > > Not really ChitChat but as this is where we are congregating....
> > > KM> Cuz we're all lost. <g>
> > > But I was following Mike!
> > KM> Where's he going??
> > I don't know but so far looking interesting!
> KM> Well, now we're lost!
> Nah: we're on an 'alternative route to our destination'!
KM> And possibly to an alternative destination!
"Are we there yet?!"
KM> Yeah, a lot of this stuff is sheer junk anymore. There's so much
KM> counterfeit and poor copies that a known source is necessity. The
KM> real test is did you get a good connection?
Right; and sometimes even with me as the consumer shopping from a good
source the source gets duped by a bad supplier.
As for my project: ready to go but being on hold: raining, then a couple
of days where very windy (had gusts to 50 MPH), today is Thanksgiving
and off to participation of a ritual of dissection and consumption of what almost became the nation bird; tomorrow (Friday) maybe; weekend we're predicted to get up to four inches of snow.
KM> Wait, is this a plug-on-each-end type thing? not just a sleeve??
The plug-in-on-both-ends.
KM> The antenna, power brick, and router are all sealed units
KM> designed to be out in the weather for whole-house wifi (wired
KM> ethernet was a sad afterthought). I thought having the latter two
KM> outdoors was needlessly risky, so they are inside. Which
KM> necessitated a much longer ethernet cable but still needed a
KM> weatherproof plug. (A regular plug works, but is not
KM> weatherproof.)
Again me not knowing details I would think they would prefer Ethernet
over WiFi just because it is at least 2x faster (100 Mbps vs 54) and
solid/stable -- no varying signal strength (like I have here!). OTOH
the input is a wireless signal (satellite), so wireless signal in,
wireless signal out out makes sense. There's a missing detail in the satellite signal is in a much different band.
I probably would have designed to have an Ethernet output, with the waterproof design (which is probably why they went with the sealed
-inside WiFi -- and I'm guessing the power supply is hard-wired) with an optional WiFi into the Ethernet port.
KM> Anyway the antenna mount and port are kinda all together on the
KM> bottom of the antenna, so once the antenna is mounted it's tough
KM> or impossible to get at the port, depending on which mount you
KM> got (Starlink's own sucks, you need a third party mount).
"But it's real easy to do in our climate-controlled showroom!"
> Which what?! <g> Presuming 'multi-conductor cable': instead of the
> usual two or three wires (like for doorbell wiring) this has several --
> I think my cable had eight.
KM> I thought ethernet cable always had eight. Phone is usually four.
> Yup! The good news is I could run an Ethernet line from the Computer
> Room (also on the second floor) through the Storage Area and the
> adjacent wall of the Master Bedroom. The hardest part would be in the
> Storage Area because of, well, the storage!
KM> For what do you need ethernet in there? got someone chained in
KM> the basement we need to know about? :P
Shhh! Though he is a the life of the part at Halloween! Well, maybe
'life' isn't the accurate term but that is the phrase!
> There's something called 'mesh' which from initial glances seemed more
> for businesses or a huge house (mansion-sized).
KM> Yeah, mesh, repeaters, not sure where if any the difference.
OK, that was pretty much my thinking. For what I needed they seemed to
do the same thing, just with a bit of marketing thrown in.
KM> I asked TP-Link (I have four of their 8-port switches, and
KM> previous good experience with their tech support) and they
KM> recommended this:
KM> https://www.tp-link.com/us/deco-mesh-wifi/product-family/deco-x50-
KM> outdoor/
Well they have two PoE ports on the bottom and this device also hangs outside! What's StarLink's problem?!
The WiFi 6 protocol you probably won't use - yet. For that kind of
device I'd spend a few extra dollars now so it doesn't become the
bottleneck in the future.
> > .. WiFi Password `2444666668888888'. I get asked and say `12345678'!
> KM> <scratching head>
> "2444666668888888" is made up of one two, three four's, five six's....
KM> Ah! <smacks forehead>
Sometimes the mid gets stuck!
> KM> Forgot my password. <g>
> Set it to 'incorrect'. Type in what you think your password is, the
> computer will respond "your password is incorrect": problem solved!
KM> LOL, I need to use that one. <g>
I have a 2" ring binder of passwords and some connection instructions.
Also on the hard drive but if the computer misbehaves... (I know: if
the computer is mesbehaving what do I need a password for? Try on
another computer!)
.. Math Joke!
How do you make seven even?
You take off the "s".
> The parrot was inside the cage. <stiffled laff>
KM> Misread that as "stuffed laff" and had doubts about the parrot's
KM> current viability. <g>
Well it is Thanksgiving so 'stuffed' makes sense!
(Where's the comic about the aliens wondering abouth Earthlings taking
the guts out of pumpkins and then a month later stuffing stuff into turkeys?!)
I dunno, but what other food tells you what to do with it?
Gobble gobble!!
> > > > Not really ChitChat but as this is where we areongregating.
> > > KM> Cuz we're all lost. <g>
> > > But I was following Mike!
> > KM> Where's he going??
> > I don't know but so far looking interesting!
> KM> Well, now we're lost!
> Nah: we're on an 'alternative route to our destination'!
KM> And possibly to an alternative destination!
"Are we there yet?!"
<looks around> Where is "there" ??
[Much jeering from the peanut gallery, given I have a habit of
tossing my characters out in the middle of "where the heck are
we??" and leaving them to fend for themselves.]
KM> Yeah, a lot of this stuff is sheer junk anymore. There's so much
KM> counterfeit and poor copies that a known source is necessity. The
KM> real test is did you get a good connection?
Right; and sometimes even with me as the consumer shopping from a good source the source gets duped by a bad supplier.
Yeah. Frex, you gotta watch the "sold and shipped by".
On Walmart's site, if it's not by Walmart, it's either junk,
stolen goods, or can't be returned.
On Amazon, all that plus often used sold as new. So if it's
anything significant, either by Amazon or by a name brand store,
and you've gotta watch that what it tries to sell you actually
comes from that store!
As for my project: ready to go but being on hold: raining, then a couple
of days where very windy (had gusts to 50 MPH), today is Thanksgiving
and off to participation of a ritual of dissection and consumption of what almost became the nation bird; tomorrow (Friday) maybe; weekend we're predicted to get up to four inches of snow.
Ah, you got our used storm that blew on through a couple days
ago.
We just got a dusting of snow last night. Up along the Hi-Line
got totally smackered.
KM> Wait, is this a plug-on-each-end type thing? not just a sleeve??
The plug-in-on-both-ends.
Ah. To minimize the hole?
KM> The antenna, power brick, and router are all sealed units
KM> designed to be out in the weather for whole-house wifi (wired
KM> ethernet was a sad afterthought). I thought having the latter two
KM> outdoors was needlessly risky, so they are inside. Which
KM> necessitated a much longer ethernet cable but still needed a
KM> weatherproof plug. (A regular plug works, but is not
KM> weatherproof.)
Again me not knowing details I would think they would prefer Ethernet
over WiFi just because it is at least 2x faster (100 Mbps vs 54) and
Get with the century, Barry! Nowadays wifi is faster than
ethernet.
https://homenetworkadmin.com/wireless-b-vs-g-vs-n-vs-ac-difference
/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11#Generations
solid/stable -- no varying signal strength (like I have here!). OTOH
But that is sometimes a problem. And wifi is subject to blockage
by mass or metal. (My desert house, with chicken-wire-plaster
inside and out, was such a Faraday cage that I had to go outside
to use the cell phone.)
the input is a wireless signal (satellite), so wireless signal in,
wireless signal out out makes sense. There's a missing detail in the satellite signal is in a much different band.
Yeah, unrelated. And the app whines until you point the antenna
where it wants to point, and it sees what it wants to see.
However, I can't complain too much, because I'm supposedly paying
for 60M nonpriority, and I've been getting around 300M and best
case 475M. It's an amazing thing to see 1.4GB of Fedora updates
come across in 27 seconds.
Most web servers are capped around 100M, but apparently Fedora
Update is not. <g>
I probably would have designed to have an Ethernet output, with the waterproof design (which is probably why they went with the sealed
-inside WiFi -- and I'm guessing the power supply is hard-wired) with an optional WiFi into the Ethernet port.
I think you just designed nonsense <g>
The router is fairly ordinary, except that it provides PoE to the
antenna (hence the router's power brick is bigger than some
routers), and only has two ethernet ports. Which are fussy little
pricks that don't like some cables.
I got 'em to behave with the
cable of their choice, and now one goes direct to Silver and the
other to a switch, from which daisy-chains the other switch. It's
ugly, but given the Fedora box at the very arse end of the chain
gets the fastest speeds, it must work. <g>
Wifi speed is constrained by what chip the device has. The old
Lenovo laptop (and maybe Pony, which is a little newer) has ac so
it gobbles up all the bandwidth it sees. The other laptops only
have g or n so they are slow unless I plug in a cable. Or a newer
wifi dongle. Fortunately networking these days is smart enough to
use the fastest one it sees.
The Lenovo laptop (and no other) can just barely see wifi in the
other house -- sufficient to play music, not enough to watch
video. Since the other house now Has Its Uses, I'd like to get it
over there for when I am. <g>
> Which what?! <g> Presuming 'multi-conductor cable': instead of the
> usual two or three wires (like for doorbell wiring) this has several --
> I think my cable had eight.
KM> I thought ethernet cable always had eight. Phone is usually four.
Only two used for standard phone, but all four if you're on a
party line. I remember the bafflement when the phone guy came to
hook me up, it didn't work, and after much thrashing around
realized my owned equipment (rather, Ma Bell said that's so old
we don't want it back) had been on a party line and needed to be
rewired.
> Yup! The good news is I could run an Ethernet line from the Computer
> Room (also on the second floor) through the Storage Area and the
> adjacent wall of the Master Bedroom. The hardest part would be in the
> Storage Area because of, well, the storage!
KM> For what do you need ethernet in there? got someone chained in
KM> the basement we need to know about? :P
Shhh! Though he is a the life of the party at Halloween! Well, maybe 'life' isn't the accurate term but that is the phrase!
"This place is dead!"
> There's something called 'mesh' which from initial glances seemed more
> for businesses or a huge house (mansion-sized).
KM> Yeah, mesh, repeaters, not sure where if any the difference.
OK, that was pretty much my thinking. For what I needed they seemed to
do the same thing, just with a bit of marketing thrown in.
Different type of speaking-to-router, I think.
KM> I asked TP-Link (I have four of their 8-port switches, and
KM> previous good experience with their tech support) and they
KM> recommended this:
KM> https://www.tp-link.com/us/deco-mesh-wifi/product-family/deco-x50-
KM> outdoor/
Well they have two PoE ports on the bottom and this device also hangs outside! What's StarLink's problem?!
Design by people who have never strung network cable.
The WiFi 6 protocol you probably won't use - yet. For that kind of
device I'd spend a few extra dollars now so it doesn't become the
bottleneck in the future.
Some new devices use wifi 6. None of mine are near that new.
> > .. WiFi Password `2444666668888888'. I get asked and say12345678'!
> KM> <scratching head>
> "2444666668888888" is made up of one two, three four's, five six's....
KM> Ah! <smacks forehead>
Sometimes the mid gets stuck!
In the middle!
> KM> Forgot my password. <g>
> Set it to 'incorrect'. Type in what you think your password is, the
> computer will respond "your password is incorrect": problem solved!
KM> LOL, I need to use that one. <g>
I have a 2" ring binder of passwords and some connection instructions.
Also on the hard drive but if the computer misbehaves... (I know: if
the computer is mesbehaving what do I need a password for? Try on
another computer!)
I have the wifi password taped to the desk. <g>
.. Math Joke!
How do you make seven even?
You take off the "s".
Ha!
I'm getting into the holiday spirit...I'm giving folks I don't like "the bird". <G>
I'm getting into the holiday spirit...I'm giving folks I don't like "the bird". <G>
We won't beak of that.
It's called Sysop Senility. <G>
I was thinking more Sluggish Senile SysOp Syndrome!
Greek army uniform. Swiss Guard. ...Scottish kilt
"This home is protected by a false sense of security"!
Actually might act as a deterrent: if a robber has a choice
between going to a house where he could possibly get caught and
a house which doesn't seem to have protection I'm thinking he'd
go to the non- protected house.
I learned and practiced a lot of my hobby electronics on broken
stuff. Dad's attitude was I couldn't make it much worse! :)
Recharge with power off -- apparently nothing. Pulled battery,
powered up but took several minutes for it to get it's poop
back in a row (I think I just mixed two or three metaphors!)
before I saw a screen. (New battery should be arriving today.)
I'd try my routine, especially the no-battery part. The
battery has some sort of monitoring electronics in it and maybe
it's screwed up and/or the software in the computer is messed
up and preventing a boot. Guessing, but AFACT wouldn't break it
further.
One would think with how crowded the 2 GHz band is, plus
interference from microwave ovens, they would run to the 5 GHz
band. Of course the problem may be the IoT (Internet of
Things) regulations.
<Looking at the back cover> Hey! You're right!
Zero bytes -- dentist likes that!!
Zero bytes -- dentist likes that!!
It's called Sysop Senility. <G>
I was thinking more Sluggish Senile SysOp Syndrome!
It's like a meme I saw with Santa Claus...noting "I've been
watching you all year. You're not just naughty...you're mentally disturbed!!".
However, that would also apply to some folks who haven't had
their required morning cup of coffee.
Greek army uniform. Swiss Guard. ...Scottish kilt
Red Skelton said that when he was growing up, "nothing in a
skirt was safe...nothing. Then that day when the Scotsman about
beat me to death!!" <G>.
"This home is protected by a false sense of security"!
I also have a decal with "Dachshund Security Company"...death
from the ankles down. <G>
I learned and practiced a lot of my hobby electronics on broken
stuff. Dad's attitude was I couldn't make it much worse! :)
Then, you made him a liar. <G>
Recharge with power off -- apparently nothing. Pulled battery,
powered up but took several minutes for it to get it's poop
back in a row (I think I just mixed two or three metaphors!)
before I saw a screen. (New battery should be arriving today.)
Batteries...cellphone and otherwise...run down so quickly.
I'd try my routine, especially the no-battery part. The
battery has some sort of monitoring electronics in it and maybe
it's screwed up and/or the software in the computer is messed
up and preventing a boot. Guessing, but AFACT wouldn't break it
further.
I don't think there's a battery in it.
One would think with how crowded the 2 GHz band is, plus
interference from microwave ovens, they would run to the 5 GHz
band. Of course the problem may be the IoT (Internet of
Things) regulations.
I thought that the higher speed hadn't kicked in, but when I
did the speed test through the browser, the higher speeds showed
up. The Ookla test was being done on the slower speed network.
<Looking at the back cover> Hey! You're right!
I looked at it through the mirror. <G>
Zero bytes -- dentist likes that!!
Or the dentist puts all the stuff in the patient's mouth, then
asks "So, tell me...how's the family??".
Sanity is in the brain of the interpreter.
(...Well, that version seems to need a little work!)
I think in some people its the caffeine and in others its the
routine -- the slower start to the day.
Remember that old commercial "Try it! You;ll like it!" <gg>
If they gnaw away the feet and ankles the rest of the body
eventually topples over: now all at dachshund level!
That would really shorten the battery life!! I don't know of
any but wonder if some laptops/OS/software requires a battery?
LIS my T61 will run without a battery installed.
In my limited experience I've found slower networks will result
in slower transmit and receive speeds. <bseg>
Your mirror is transparent?!
"Mrf glp brz crruk smph!" ...And that's how rumours get
started!
Sanity is in the brain of the interpreter.
(...Well, that version seems to need a little work!)
When it comes to sane, I'm with the "IN" crowd. <G>
I think in some people its the caffeine and in others its the
routine -- the slower start to the day.
But, coffee also makes a crappy start to the day. <G>
Remember that old commercial "Try it! You'll like it!" <gg>
I remember the jingle, but forget the product.
If they gnaw away the feet and ankles the rest of the body
eventually topples over: now all at dachshund level!
And, like all dogs, they have a wicked set of teeth.
That would really shorten the battery life!! I don't know of
any but wonder if some laptops/OS/software requires a battery?
LIS my T61 will run without a battery installed.
If I had a Generac Generator, it wouldn't have mattered, as it
kicks in just seconds after power fails. But, if power is out, so
is everything else.
Your mirror is transparent?!
I'd like one, so I could see the entire anatomy (I know you
needed that visual) <g,d,r>.
... Excess Weinerage - When buns come in 8 pks and franks come in
12 pks.
Hi Daryl!
Even with a generator (we have one) still want some sort of short-term
power. The generator takes about 23 seconds to repower the house so
want UPSs on computers, the hardware for the Internet access, and some
Even with a generator (we have one) still want some sort of short-term power. The generator takes about 23 seconds to repower the house so
want UPSs on computers, the hardware for the Internet access, and some
My sister lives where the local power station has Issues, so she
has a whole-house generator that runs off the natural gas, and it automagically kicks in and she doesn't even know the power went
out unless she goes outside and sees the neighbors dark and hears
it running in the shed. What kind do you have?
I have natural gas here, and when we rewire the house, a similar
generator is in our future.
Hi Ky!
KM> I have natural gas here, and when we rewire the house, a similar
KM> generator is in our future.
Generac, 16 KW, natural gas. Here know the power has gone out because
gets a bit noisy with the chirps from the various UPSs in that 23
seconds! (IIRC they claim restores power in about 30 seconds; the 23
seconds is from me counting once and the number stuck.)
When you have the house rewired try to have the two jobs coordinated:
the generator's transfer switch needs to cut into the power feed after
the meter and also a bunch of wires from the generator to the service
panel, I'm guessing to the individual circuits. All the wires are in conduit, of course, just if plan ahead might be able to avoid
odd-looking runs.
Oh: be sure the natural gas feed to the house is sufficient! Don't want
to starve the gas furnace when the generator is running! The people installing gas line to the generator (after the meter) also said they
wanted to avoid right angles in the feed line in the basement: gas
pushes against the 90ø pipe which is like a wall and cuts the pressure. Outside there are 90ø angles, I guess to keep the pipe along the wall.
As you're in Cold Country, get a heat pad for your battery! Keeps the battery warm and the generator will start easier in winter.
As for the maintenance, went with the plan which every other year does a 'light' maintenance check -- replace oil, filter, quick-but-thorough
check. On the other years they do a more detailed check: pull the
power, etc.
.. Remember there are "Seven Deadly Sins" - one a day, so have a good week!
Remember that old commercial "Try it! You;ll like it!" <gg>
I remember the jingle, but forget the product.
Re: Re: PoE Window Passthroug
By: Daryl Stout to Barry Martin on Tue Dec 23 2025 16:00:21
BM> Remember that old commercial "Try it! You;ll like it!" <gg>
> I remember the jingle, but forget the product.
The product was Alka Seltzer. It wasn't a jingle but a line of dialogue used in each of the commercials for that campaign.--- SBBSecho 3.31-Linux
But, coffee also makes a crappy start to the day. <G>
If you've got coffee grounds poop you'd better see a doctor!
BM> Remember that old commercial "Try it! You;ll like it!" <gg>
> I remember the jingle, but forget the product.
The product was Alka Seltzer. It wasn't a jingle but a line of dialogue used in each of the commercials for that campaign.
But, coffee also makes a crappy start to the day. <G>
If you've got coffee grounds poop you'd better see a doctor!
You guys talk about some weird sh*t.
I do remember "plop, plop, fizz, fizz / oh what a relief it is!" I think they stuck with that one for several years in the 1980s (and maybe before).
KM> I have natural gas here, and when we rewire the house, a similar
KM> generator is in our future.
Generac, 16 KW, natural gas. Here know the power has gone out because
gets a bit noisy with the chirps from the various UPSs in that 23
seconds! (IIRC they claim restores power in about 30 seconds; the 23 seconds is from me counting once and the number stuck.)
Huh. I wonder what my sister's system did different, being it's
so seamless. It wasn't terribly expensive, but it handles a big
house.
When you have the house rewired try to have the two jobs coordinated:
Yeah, it'll be all one job.
the generator's transfer switch needs to cut into the power feed after
the meter and also a bunch of wires from the generator to the service
panel, I'm guessing to the individual circuits. All the wires are in conduit, of course, just if plan ahead might be able to avoid
odd-looking runs.
The main breaker box is in the back porch, so that's where it
would tie in.
Oh: be sure the natural gas feed to the house is sufficient! Don't want
Should be. The gas line guy (they had to come out and trace it
when the septic got dug up) says the line is new enough to be
plastic, probably from when they replaced the meter with
something less vintage than whatever was original.
to starve the gas furnace when the generator is running! The people installing gas line to the generator (after the meter) also said they
wanted to avoid right angles in the feed line in the basement: gas
pushes against the 90ø pipe which is like a wall and cuts the pressure. Outside there are 90ø angles, I guess to keep the pipe along the wall.
Huh. I have right angles in the garage, but that's old enough to
be rather large iron pipe. And isn't in use. There's also some
plastic line that apparently was meant for the dryer but was not
hooked up. So I have extras already. :)
Actually, a very small gas wall heater in the garage (manual
thermostat) might be a good thought too.
As you're in Cold Country, get a heat pad for your battery! Keeps the battery warm and the generator will start easier in winter.
Actually it could go into the basement with the furnace and water
heater and existing exhaust vents. It never gets below about 60
down there even in the dead of winter when the furnace died
during a week of -26. The well is down there too and a generator
would not be noisier than the new well pump.
Other options being the garage (already has gas line, and could
tie into an existing unused vent) which is partially heated to
keep the washing machine from freezing, or the back porch, which
is enclosed but not heated.
As for the maintenance, went with the plan which every other year does a 'light' maintenance check -- replace oil, filter, quick-but-thorough
check. On the other years they do a more detailed check: pull the
power, etc.
That's a good idea. Otherwise you discover it died when the power
goes out!
Hi Ky!
KM> Huh. I wonder what my sister's system did different, being it's
KM> so seamless. It wasn't terribly expensive, but it handles a big
KM> house.
The only thing I can think of is it's a constantly running generator,
but would seem like hear the generator. OTOH if the electricity-
generating device (so like the alternator in a car?) was constantly
running and on a flywheel when the street power failed the (alternator)
could immediately take over and maintain enough output until the
generator itself (the big unit) kicked in. ...Probably another of my
Rube Goldberg ideas.
In hindsight I would have 'interviewed' the dealer also. Going with
Lowe's possibly was better as originally purchased a 13KW unit, got a
call from the salesperson a day or two later the 16KW unit was on sale
for $90 more (total - not per month) so got that one.
KM> The main breaker box is in the back porch, so that's where it
KM> would tie in.
Makes sense, though also depends on where the generator is placed: has
to be a certain number of feet away from windows (and probably doors).
If there hadn't been a semi-solid privacy wall on the porch above where
the generator is here the generator may have had to be placed elsewhere. (Though here may have been easier and cheaper to build that wall if it
hadn't already existed!)
..Reason is the exhaust fumes.
KM> Huh. I have right angles in the garage, but that's old enough to
KM> be rather large iron pipe. And isn't in use. There's also some
KM> plastic line that apparently was meant for the dryer but was not
KM> hooked up. So I have extras already. :)
Or so you think! At one time this house had a gas-fired air conditioner
-- the big cement slab it was on is under the bach porch. Even better:
the gas line is capped (in the basement) about ten feet from where the generator is. They determined the pipe diameter was too small for the generator.
...OK, maybe not the complete story. They did determine the original
a/c pipe was too small, Also in the calculation was where everything
was connecting. The new generator line connects at the gas meter. The
gas feeds for the furnace, dryer, and stove -- obvious eventually to the
gas meter but I don't know if separate runs or tree'd. So also no idea
where the a/c feed connected.
All that because the longer length of gas pipe acts as a bit of buffer,
so when the generaor kicks in the furnace feed isn't starved --> the
natural gas itself expands and contacts some, buffering the feeds. A
starved feed would be like when running the water in the sink and
flushing the toilet: the cold water to the bathroom sink lessens for a
bit.
KM> Actually, a very small gas wall heater in the garage (manual
KM> thermostat) might be a good thought too.
May as well while you're at it! 'Obviously' size correctly: too small
will either just keep a small area warm or will be constantly running
(or both); too big will probably 'overheat' the garage and be off too
much.
Generator with its fumes inside in the basement?????? Maybe there are multiple types of geneators, just like your sister's kicks in almost instantaneously.
KM> Other options being the garage (already has gas line, and could
KM> tie into an existing unused vent) which is partially heated to
KM> keep the washing machine from freezing, or the back porch, which
KM> is enclosed but not heated.
I'm thinking the garage, but there is still an issue with fumes. (Person committing suicide by sitting in car with motor running inside a garage
with the door closed.)
I also prefer to have them do all the work as then if something goes
wrong there is no question as to who was responsible.
I do remember "plop, plop, fizz, fizz / oh what a relief it is!" I think they stuck with that one for several years in the 1980s (and maybe before).
According to the Beyer Corp., the folks who own AS, the PPFF tagline was used from 1975-1979.
AS itself was been around since 1931. If your into old-time
radio, you can still catch a few of those early commercials.
But, coffee also makes a crappy start to the day. <G>If you've got coffee grounds poop you'd better see a doctor!
You guys talk about some weird shit.
I occassional act insane to keep my sanity!
If you've got coffee grounds poop you'd better see a doctor!
I'm thinking it was Alka-Seltzer... Yep. Also "I can't
believe I ate the whoooooole thing".
They're green? ...Oh, wrong 'wicked'.
Even with a generator (we have one) still want some sort of
short-term power. The generator takes about 23 seconds to
repower the house so want UPSs on computers, the hardware for
the Internet access, and some lighting. Here the lighting is a combination of powered by some of the computer UPSs and
plug-in. Flashlights in the drawer are great, but one has to
find them in the dark first!
(S.N. Almost 100% of the 'emergency lighting' around here was
done years prior to the generator install. Quite a bit
probably is no longer needed with the generator but handy to
have.)
You're the Visible Man? (Anatomical model kit: remove
chest/abdomen piece, access the individual organs. ...Surgeon
was confused when opened his first patient: no colour-coded
innards!)
I thought abdomens came in six-packs, buns in pairs, Frank came
out one at a time but the twins Pete and Repete....
KM> Huh. I wonder what my sister's system did different, being it's
KM> so seamless. It wasn't terribly expensive, but it handles a big
KM> house.
The only thing I can think of is it's a constantly running generator,
but would seem like hear the generator. OTOH if the electricity-
generating device (so like the alternator in a car?) was constantly
running and on a flywheel when the street power failed the (alternator) could immediately take over and maintain enough output until the
generator itself (the big unit) kicked in. ...Probably another of my
Rube Goldberg ideas.
No idea. I know it doesn't run continuously. However, it works
well enough that come the day, I'll be looking at the same setup.
In hindsight I would have 'interviewed' the dealer also. Going with
Lowe's possibly was better as originally purchased a 13KW unit, got a
call from the salesperson a day or two later the 16KW unit was on sale
for $90 more (total - not per month) so got that one.
It's going to cost enough to rewire the house that whatever
backup power costs is a trivial afterthought... so will go with
the proven commodity.
KM> The main breaker box is in the back porch, so that's where it
KM> would tie in.
Makes sense, though also depends on where the generator is placed: has
to be a certain number of feet away from windows (and probably doors).
If there hadn't been a semi-solid privacy wall on the porch above where
the generator is here the generator may have had to be placed elsewhere. (Though here may have been easier and cheaper to build that wall if it hadn't already existed!)
..Reason is the exhaust fumes.
If it exhausts directly out of the engine, yeah. If it goes up
the pipe like the furnace,. that makes different options.
KM> Huh. I have right angles in the garage, but that's old enough to
KM> be rather large iron pipe. And isn't in use. There's also some
KM> plastic line that apparently was meant for the dryer but was not
KM> hooked up. So I have extras already. :)
Or so you think! At one time this house had a gas-fired air conditioner
-- the big cement slab it was on is under the bach porch. Even better:
the gas line is capped (in the basement) about ten feet from where the generator is. They determined the pipe diameter was too small for the generator.
Well, if all else fails, we need to make another tie-in just
below the meter anyway, to run gas to the barn and shop. Which
could easily become another line to wherever else.
All that because the longer length of gas pipe acts as a bit of buffer,
so when the generaor kicks in the furnace feed isn't starved --> the
natural gas itself expands and contacts some, buffering the feeds. A starved feed would be like when running the water in the sink and
flushing the toilet: the cold water to the bathroom sink lessens for a
bit.
Yeah, would make the furnace unhappy.
KM> Actually, a very small gas wall heater in the garage (manual
KM> thermostat) might be a good thought too.
May as well while you're at it! 'Obviously' size correctly: too small
will either just keep a small area warm or will be constantly running
(or both); too big will probably 'overheat' the garage and be off too
much.
Actually the criterion is one that lets you set the thermostat
really low, like 40 degrees. Same as I want for the barn. Really
just anti-freeze, not to heat the place.
Generator with its fumes inside in the basement?????? Maybe there are multiple types of geneators, just like your sister's kicks in almost instantaneously.
Probably. Same as there are vented and ventless heaters.
I also prefer to have them do all the work as then if something goes
wrong there is no question as to who was responsible.
Yeah, good thought!
I occassional act insane to keep my sanity!
You're not the only one.
If you've got coffee grounds poop you'd better see a doctor!
And not a moment too soon.
What I originally meant was that coffee acts as a laxative.
I'm thinking it was Alka-Seltzer... Yep. Also "I can't
believe I ate the whoooooole thing".
You ate it, Ralph. <G>
They're green? ...Oh, wrong 'wicked'.
Only if they're Irish, or Roswellian. <G>
Even with a generator (we have one) still want some sort of
short-term power. The generator takes about 23 seconds to
repower the house so want UPSs on computers, the hardware for
the Internet access, and some lighting. Here the lighting is a combination of powered by some of the computer UPSs and
plug-in. Flashlights in the drawer are great, but one has to
find them in the dark first!
A shin is the device used to find furniture in the dark. <G>
(S.N. Almost 100% of the 'emergency lighting' around here was
done years prior to the generator install. Quite a bit
probably is no longer needed with the generator but handy to
have.)
I wish I had been able to get a Generac Generator.
You're the Visible Man? (Anatomical model kit: remove
chest/abdomen piece, access the individual organs. ...Surgeon
was confused when opened his first patient: no colour-coded
innards!)
He hadn't played "Operation" enough. <G>
I thought abdomens came in six-packs, buns in pairs, Frank came
out one at a time but the twins Pete and Repete....
You have too much time on your hands.
Oh good! that means the people I thought I saw are really
there!
If you've got coffee grounds poop you'd better see a doctor!
And not a moment too soon.
So instant?!
What I originally meant was that coffee acts as a laxative.
Relaxes one end, stumulates the other.
I was thinking more Mikey in the old Life ceral commercials.
I'd look into a decent portable one. Need to make sure outputs
as close to a sine wave as possible; the cheap ones put out a
square wave which can ruin electronics. And now just about
everything has some sort of electronic module in it: furnance, refrigerator.
Wonder if anyone has prepped themselves for surgery by sticking
LEDs to their abdomen and a battery and contact stick?!
I'm retired and they said to keep my mind active!
I was thinking more Mikey in the old Life ceral commercials.
I remember that one...but the lines we were talking about didn't
seem to be in that commercial, as I recall.
They didn't. The opening goes...
Kid 1: What's this stuff?
Kid 2: Some cereal. It's supposed to b good for you.
Kid 1: Did you try it?
Kid 2: I'm not gonna try it, you try it.
Kid 1: I'm not gonna try it.
Kid 2: Hey, let's get Mickey!
Kid 1: Yeah, he won't eat it, he hates everything.
Kid 2: He likes it! Hey, Mickey!
Yeah, I watched a lot of TV back then.
Oh good! that means the people I thought I saw are really
there!
So, you've met your imaginary friend...Hal Lucinate?? <G>
If you've got coffee grounds poop you'd better see a doctor!
And not a moment too soon.
So instant?!
It would be that.
What I originally meant was that coffee acts as a laxative.
I don't need coffee, then...and I rarely drink iced tea, unless
I go out with a friend for lunch.
I was thinking more Mikey in the old Life ceral commercials.
I remember that one...but the lines we were talking about
didn't seem to be in that commercial, as I recall.
I'd look into a decent portable one. Need to make sure outputs
as close to a sine wave as possible; the cheap ones put out a
square wave which can ruin electronics. And now just about
everything has some sort of electronic module in it: furnance, refrigerator.
I'm only one step away from being rich...all I need is money.
Wonder if anyone has prepped themselves for surgery by sticking
LEDs to their abdomen and a battery and contact stick?!
I want to be sedated, please!!
I'm retired and they said to keep my mind active!
Is there ever a time when it's not?? <g,d,r>
I remember that one...but the lines we were talking about didn't
seem to be in that commercial, as I recall.
They didn't. The opening goes...
Kid 1: What's this stuff?
Kid 2: Some cereal. It's supposed to b good for you.
Kid 1: Did you try it?
Kid 2: I'm not gonna try it, you try it.
Kid 1: I'm not gonna try it.
Kid 2: Hey, let's get Mickey!
Kid 1: Yeah, he won't eat it, he hates everything.
Kid 2: He likes it! Hey, Mickey!
Yeah, I watched a lot of TV back then.
So, you've met your imaginary friend...Hal Lucinate?? <G>
Ah! You know him too! Have you met his cousin Sal Monella? He
really likes it when food is left out for him.
My group tends to do the opposite: waters all around (unless
included in the price), Most then tip a hare higher to
'compensate' for the 'missing' beverage in the overall check.
Probably not. Just seemed the Life cereal commercial sort of
fit in.
See how easy it is?!
Seems like the prices for the portable geneators have come down
the last five years. I haven't been following as no need to.
Of course a generator isn't anywhere near the List of
Necessities.
Hmm: nearly discharged battery across the brain contacts?
Not ready to be quiescent, they spent the rest of the evening reversing polarity and blowing each other's fuses.
So, you've met your imaginary friend...Hal Lucinate?? <G>
Ah! You know him too! Have you met his cousin Sal Monella? He
really likes it when food is left out for him.
Like the fortune cookie from "The Far Side" that noted "You
will soon feel the effects of salmonella". :P
My group tends to do the opposite: waters all around (unless
included in the price), Most then tip a hare higher to
'compensate' for the 'missing' beverage in the overall check.
As the late W.C. Fields said, "I don't drink water. Fish [have
sex] in it". :P
Probably not. Just seemed the Life cereal commercial sort of
fit in.
My late brother and I had an argument over the Quisp and Quake
cererals years ago.
See how easy it is?!
Easier said than done.
Seems like the prices for the portable geneators have come down
the last five years. I haven't been following as no need to.
Of course a generator isn't anywhere near the List of
Necessities.
In Arkansas, during winter weather, that is bread, milk, beer,
and toilet paper. <G>
I saw this in the Retro Computers group on Facebook. I needed
that laugh, but had to "make a change" today. <G>
The sex life of an electron By Eddie Currents
Not ready to be quiescent, they spent the rest of the evening reversing polarity and blowing each other's fuses.
I envy his capacitance.
Like the fortune cookie from "The Far Side" that noted "You
will soon feel the effects of salmonella". :P
Was that written by E. Coli?
"Birds do it, bees do it, even something-something do it!"
My late brother and I had an argument over the Quisp and Quake
cererals years ago.
I barely remember those -- must have been into Quaker!
Typing adds a slight layer of complexity!
I think that's the same for just about the same list for all
winters.
The sex life of an electron By Eddie Currents
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