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There is a lot of use of AI to replace socialization and to do correspondence and such these days.
What a person says may be less than perfect, but who is perfect?
Our differences spell out our personalities, for better or worse..

And like I said before, I use it, and I enjoy using it.

>I don't let it do the writing for me, but I use it as a
>proof reader and summary writer, etc.

That makes more sense, using it to check for mistakes and such.
I just think expecting it to initiate too much will distort
or replace what the original writer was intending.

Agreed! After it has read and learned a lot of my style and
ideas, though, I can give it a topic and overall idea and
it will give me a start, in my own words.

Of course I have NEVER used it word for word - I still rewrite/
edit into my own flow, but it does speed up the process. :-)

And I think if we stop calling it AI, which is technically

>a misnomer, it might make it less frightening... It is
>LLM - Language Learning Module - and has absolutely no
>sentience behind it. It's not 'intellegent,' it is just
>programmed to respond and such in a way that is comfortable
>to us.

But we are seeing many cases where it is doing things that
are intelligence oriented, like telling lies to make a point
or, as I mentioned, rather than admitting it can't find an answer
it will often give you back incorrect information.

Example.. I hoped it could tell me what the selling price of a
property near me was. Turned out that info wasn't yet available
online, but it came back saying it sold for full asking price
rather than admit it couldn't find it.

But there is going to be some of the people who wrote it in the programming and perhaps those bad habits are picked up that way.

Yeah - and I wonder if it was programmed to do that instead of admitting?
So as not to give an 'I don't know' answer? Because I pay the monthly
for ChatGPT and it will tell me it doesn't know or can't find that, etc.
Or it will make a mistake by telling me something, then I tell it no
it didn't work - and ask about something else. It will sometimes try
to give me the first answer again and I'll 'remind' it that it already
told me that. It will quickly say, "you are right."

That said, AI has it's uses obviously. There was a news story on
here in Canada tonight where they were talking about a breakthrough treatment for Crohn's Desease

Yep! Great example! It can do the processing of dozens or even hundreds

>of 'humans' in a short time!

Yes, in a plain research area is where it should shine.

Some of the areas where it makes errors are amazing though.
I was looking up an amount paid monthly for something and the
search engine uses AI to come up with the initial reply, and it
somehow took the figure of something over $1000 a month and said
that would total $1700 a year..

That's math that an 8 year old could do.. B)

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But we are seeing many cases where it is doing things that
are intelligence oriented, like telling lies to make a point
or, as I mentioned, rather than admitting it can't find an answer
it will often give you back incorrect information.

Yeah - and I wonder if it was programmed to do that instead of admitting?

>So as not to give an 'I don't know' answer? Because I pay the monthly
>for ChatGPT and it will tell me it doesn't know or can't find that, etc.
>Or it will make a mistake by telling me something, then I tell it no
>it didn't work - and ask about something else.

My only experience with AI is that the first offers of info when doing
a search in a browser are almost always generated by an AI system
these days, and it is often a quick and correct answer if the problem
isn't too complex, but that's not a paid system where I chat with the
AI, it's just included with the browser as a search helper..

Also, if the first offered answer is questionable or obviously wrong,
I usually just carry on to offered suggestions further down the page
doing the search myself like we had to do before getting the magic AI
help rather than giving it another crack at it.

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Rob Mccart wrote to JIMMYLOGAN <=-

But we are seeing many cases where it is doing things that
are intelligence oriented, like telling lies to make a point
or, as I mentioned, rather than admitting it can't find an answer
it will often give you back incorrect information.

Yeah - and I wonder if it was programmed to do that instead of admitting?

>So as not to give an 'I don't know' answer? Because I pay the monthly
>for ChatGPT and it will tell me it doesn't know or can't find that, etc.
>Or it will make a mistake by telling me something, then I tell it no
>it didn't work - and ask about something else.

My only experience with AI is that the first offers of info when doing
a search in a browser are almost always generated by an AI system
these days, and it is often a quick and correct answer if the problem isn't too complex, but that's not a paid system where I chat with the
AI, it's just included with the browser as a search helper..

Also, if the first offered answer is questionable or obviously wrong,
I usually just carry on to offered suggestions further down the page
doing the search myself like we had to do before getting the magic AI
help rather than giving it another crack at it.

Yeah, the example you give is actually what I'm referring to. It's not
making a decision or using critical thinking skills, it's just responding
to a query based on what it has been taught to do. It is always - ALWAYS - regurgitating information that you could find on your own.



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My only experience with AI is that the first offers of info when doing
a search in a browser are almost always generated by an AI system
these days, and it is often a quick and correct answer if the problem
isn't too complex

Also, if the first offered answer is questionable or obviously wrong,
I usually just carry on to offered suggestions further down the page
doing the search myself like we had to do before getting the magic AI
help rather than giving it another crack at it.

Yeah, the example you give is actually what I'm referring to. It's not

>making a decision or using critical thinking skills, it's just responding
>to a query based on what it has been taught to do. It is always - ALWAYS -
>regurgitating information that you could find on your own.

Yes, that's true for the most part, although I'm sure there are
AI systems that are smarter than that doing expensive jobs for
bigger users. A free Browser AI I'm sure is pretty basic..

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Rob Mccart wrote to JIMMYLOGAN <=-

My only experience with AI is that the first offers of info when doing
a search in a browser are almost always generated by an AI system
these days, and it is often a quick and correct answer if the problem isn't too complex

Also, if the first offered answer is questionable or obviously wrong,
I usually just carry on to offered suggestions further down the page
doing the search myself like we had to do before getting the magic AI
help rather than giving it another crack at it.

Yeah, the example you give is actually what I'm referring to. It's not

>making a decision or using critical thinking skills, it's just responding
>to a query based on what it has been taught to do. It is always - ALWAYS -
>regurgitating information that you could find on your own.

Yes, that's true for the most part, although I'm sure there are
AI systems that are smarter than that doing expensive jobs for
bigger users. A free Browser AI I'm sure is pretty basic..

I have a friend that uses AI for automated customer service responses.
It is still a programming thing. But I understand where you are coiming
from too.

I've yet to see an example of one that actually makes decisions.



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Yes, that's true for the most part, although I'm sure there are
AI systems that are smarter than that doing expensive jobs for
bigger users. A free Browser AI I'm sure is pretty basic..

I have a friend that uses AI for automated customer service responses.

>It is still a programming thing. But I understand where you are coiming
>from too.

I've yet to see an example of one that actually makes decisions.

I just got off of a site trying to get an answer to a simple
question and their AI system was totally unable to answer the
question but, in this case, it finally gave up and started telling
me how I could reach a live person to talk to..

So.. no intelligence there, artificial or otherwise.. B)

To show how simple.. my TV Satellite provider advetised that they
offer about a 10% discount if you arrange for auto-payments, but
the general info says that goes for MOST packages.. I was just
asking if my package qualified.. That should be a straight forward
enough question for it to answer..

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Re: Re: ChatGPT Writing
By: Rob Mccart to JIMMYLOGAN on Fri Nov 07 2025 10:44:47

question but, in this case, it finally gave up and started telling me how I could reach a live person to talk to, so no intelligence there, artificial or otherwise.. B)

It was smart enough to know when to give up.

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Rob Mccart wrote to JIMMYLOGAN <=-

Yes, that's true for the most part, although I'm sure there are
AI systems that are smarter than that doing expensive jobs for
bigger users. A free Browser AI I'm sure is pretty basic..

I have a friend that uses AI for automated customer service responses.

>It is still a programming thing. But I understand where you are coiming
>from too.

I've yet to see an example of one that actually makes decisions.

I just got off of a site trying to get an answer to a simple
question and their AI system was totally unable to answer the
question but, in this case, it finally gave up and started telling
me how I could reach a live person to talk to..

So.. no intelligence there, artificial or otherwise.. B)

To show how simple.. my TV Satellite provider advetised that they
offer about a 10% discount if you arrange for auto-payments, but
the general info says that goes for MOST packages.. I was just
asking if my package qualified.. That should be a straight forward
enough question for it to answer..

yep! But that also goes to show that they obviously didn't program
that particular data...



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I just got off of a site trying to get an answer to a simple
question and their AI system was totally unable to answer the
question but, in this case, it finally gave up and started telling
me how I could reach a live person to talk to..

To show how simple.. my TV Satellite provider advetised that they
offer about a 10% discount if you arrange for auto-payments, but
the general info says that goes for MOST packages.. I was just
asking if my package qualified.. That should be a straight forward
enough question for it to answer..

yep! But that also goes to show that they obviously didn't program

>that particular data...

Likely in this case the company doesn't specify in general info online
exactly which packages are qualified, probably to get people to contact
them so they can sell them something 'better' (more expensive) than
they currently have..

But, in this case, if the info wasn't available, at least it didn't
make something up.. B)

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