Re: Re: AI-WX Weather Door Is
By: Runstop to Nightfox on Wed Oct 15 2025 09:47 am

some older BBS software running like Wildcat! and SBBS.

Gross.

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I wish I could learn Linux... I am just too damn old. The RAM doesn't refresh properly any more...

Bah! you just need a thesaurus, you already know the concepts.





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I wish I could learn Linux... I am just too damn old. The RAM
doesn't refresh properly any more...

This old dog doesn't want to learn new tricks. :P

Daryl

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Re: Re: AI-WX Weather Door Is
By: Daryl Stout to Bf2k+ on Fri Oct 17 2025 12:22 pm

This old dog doesn't want to learn new tricks. :P

Well... I want to but it is hard these days. Not like it was when I was in my 30's and started learning computers.

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Re: Re: AI-WX Weather Door Is
By: Bf2k+ to Daryl Stout on Mon Oct 20 2025 05:12 am

Re: Re: AI-WX Weather Door Is
By: Daryl Stout to Bf2k+ on Fri Oct 17 2025 12:22 pm

This old dog doesn't want to learn new tricks. :P

Well... I want to but it is hard these days. Not like it was when
I was in my 30's and started learning computers.

i used to pick up things super quick. now that i'm an old man it's harder. i have been drug free and dont drink much. infact i started drinking when i
was 35. i think this happened because of covid. there's little differences in everything about me now.
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Re: Re: AI-WX Weather Door Is
By: MRO to Bf2k+ on Tue Oct 21 2025 12:47 am

Well... I want to but it is hard these days. Not like it was when
I was in my 30's and started learning computers.

i used to pick up things super quick. now that i'm an old man it's harder.
i have been drug free and dont drink much. infact i started drinking when i
was 35. i think this happened because of covid. there's little differences in everything about me now.

I also learned very quickly in my youth. When I was in high school, I think I had a photographic memory. I never cracked a book and graduated top 5% of the class. Smoking pot in the 70's stopped the photographic part but I still learned pretty fast. When Personal Computers came along, the pot smoking stopped... I now had more important things to spend my little bit of disposable income on... :)

Unfortunately, Altzheimer's runs in my family. My 93 yr old mother does not even know who I am anymore... this worries me for the future.

But I am still going to try to get the wife and myself on Linux as soon as I retire and don't have to use Windows for my job. I have already put Mint on her old laptop so she can start getting ready... if I give her all her tools, she should be ok after a slight learning curve. I need to get M$oft out of my life permanently.

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i used to pick up things super quick. now that i'm an old man it's
harder. i have been drug free and dont drink much. infact i started drinking when i was 35. i think this happened because of covid.
there's little differences in everything about me now.
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But I am still going to try to get the wife and myself on Linux as soon
as I retire and don't have to use Windows for my job. I have already
put Mint on her old laptop so she can start getting ready... if I give
her all her tools, she should be ok after a slight learning curve. I
need to get M$oft out of my life permanently.

It's not that I'm that much of MSFT hater but it's cool when regular computer users try to adopt Linux and stay comprehensive about it.
I keep my fingers crossed.

I moved my wife away from Windows be she's on Mac now, which I don't believe is the same challenge.

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Re: Re: AI-WX Weather Door Is
By: Digital Man to Bf2k+ on Wed Oct 15 2025 11:32:05

Windows includes Linux now, so there's really a very low barrier to entry (cost-wise, at least).

And that's about the best thing you can say about WinLinux. I've played with it and it was more frustrating than Arch or Gentoo.

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Hey Mortar!

On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 14:17:32 -0500, you wrote:

And that's about the best thing you can say about WinLinux. I've played with it and it was more frustrating than Arch or Gentoo.

While I completely agree with Gentoo, what in the world is so frustrating about Archlinux in this day and age?

Unless you refer to the old way of installing everything via a chroot environment, like Gentoo probably still does (you can still do it with Arch, but you don't actually have to if you don't want to any more)..

1) Boot from ISO
2) Install the package "archinstall"
3) Run it, configure your whole install via TUI, with lightbar menus even. Including choosing whether you want a desktop environment, or anything else to be picked out of the complete list Archlinux and the AUR have to offer. The script runs and installs/sets up everything for you.
4) Boot into your new install.

No need for compiling anything if you don't want to, and maybe one thing in the last 5 years that required a google search to fix (had to uninstall a package and reinstall it, or something).

Or would you just rather boot into something similar to Windows and have everything done for you via mouse click? Then I could see the argument. *shrug*

Regards,
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Re: Re: AI-WX Weather Door Is
By: Bf2k+ to MRO on Tue Oct 21 2025 02:52 am

Well... I want to but it is hard these days. Not like it was when I was in my 30's and started learning computers.

i used to pick up things super quick. now that i'm an old man it's harder. i have been drug free and dont drink much. infact i started drinking when i was 35. i think this happened because of covid.
there's little differences in everything about me now.

I also learned very quickly in my youth. When I was in high school,
I think I had a photographic memory. I never cracked a book and
graduated top 5% of the class. Smoking pot in the 70's stopped
the photographic part but I still learned pretty fast. When Personal

i used to skip school and just ace the tests. i didnt do homework. i ruined it for everyone. they made it so the homework mattered more than the final tests. i would just read the textbook before the test.
i graduated a year early.

Unfortunately, Altzheimer's runs in my family. My 93 yr old mother
does not even know who I am anymore... this worries me for the
future.

yeah you have a good chance of getting it. i guess they are having breakthroughs but you know how that goes with the medical community.
you hear about it and then you hear nothing.

But I am still going to try to get the wife and myself on Linux as
soon as I retire and don't have to use Windows for my job. I have
already put Mint on her old laptop so she can start getting ready...
if I give her all her tools, she should be ok after a slight
learning curve. I need to get M$oft out of my life permanently.

dunno, microsoft isnt so bad now since pedo bill gates and balmer are gone. they are certainly less evil than facebook and google.
i'm not sure what microsoft's goal is now. maybe ai development?
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Re: Re: AI-WX Weather Door Is
By: Mortar to Digital Man on Tue Oct 21 2025 02:17 pm

Re: Re: AI-WX Weather Door Is
By: Digital Man to Bf2k+ on Wed Oct 15 2025 11:32:05

Windows includes Linux now, so there's really a very low barrier
to entry (cost-wise, at least).

And that's about the best thing you can say about WinLinux. I've
played with it and it was more frustrating than Arch or Gentoo.

whats so bad about it? there's quirks but not many.
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Hi Accession,
In a message to Mortar you wrote:

*I'm still half asleep, and upon re-reading this I am babbling like a
crazy person but I'm hitting send anyway*

Or would you just rather boot into something similar to Windows and
have everything done for you via mouse click? Then I could see the argument. *shrug*

I've been distro hopping for a few months now. I have tried arch btw ;0

Currently my desktop is running Linux Mint. It's been stable, the box
runs Jellyfin for our media, and other then that it's my gaming rig.

This laptop is currently dual booting Fedora and Win11. The win11 install
is for BBS stuff (Until I get off my ass and configure HPT).

I think I'll be going all in with Fedora on both the machines as for me it
is working great and I wanted to go back to KDE for the desktop as it's
the one I prefer.

My arch review was pretty simple. As you said it was not hard to install,
it was fast etc. I don't have anything bad to say, I just didn't like
the pacman command lines. Yes that's a crazy reason to move to another
distro, but at this point in my life I want to at least like using my own computers. (At work for 8 hours a day I'm stuck with a highly locked down windows 11).

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It's not that I'm that much of MSFT hater but it's cool when regular computer users try to adopt Linux and stay comprehensive about it. I
keep my fingers crossed.

I'm all in on Windows at work - managing 300 O365 users, Exchange,
SharePoint, Teams, PowerBI - I'm like a kid in a candy store with all of the things you could tweak.

I think it might be time to have some work/play separation and install
Linux at home. :)



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Hey Tiny!

On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 05:38:52 -0500, you wrote:

I've been distro hopping for a few months now. I have tried arch btw ;0

Sweet!

Currently my desktop is running Linux Mint. It's been stable, the box
runs Jellyfin for our media, and other then that it's my gaming rig.

Me personally, I have nothing bad to say about Mint. I've booted it up multiple times, and it looks and works great.

This laptop is currently dual booting Fedora and Win11. The win11
install is for BBS stuff (Until I get off my ass and configure HPT).

BBS stuff? I thought you were done with that? Or are you just referring to your QWK packet stuff?

I think I'll be going all in with Fedora on both the machines as for me
it is working great and I wanted to go back to KDE for the desktop as
it's the one I prefer.

That's why the Linux mantra is "choice". If you like it, use it! I don't think I could ever run anything Red Hat related, but to each their own, of course - and that's probably because I'm just not used to it or it's package manager.

My arch review was pretty simple. As you said it was not hard to
install, it was fast etc. I don't have anything bad to say, I just
didn't like the pacman command lines. Yes that's a crazy reason to move
to another distro, but at this point in my life I want to at least like using my own computers. (At work for 8 hours a day I'm stuck with a
highly locked down windows 11).

Completely understood. And with that said, have you tried Omarchy yet? :D

It's arch based, boots into Hyprland (which is the new craze these days, apparantly), and has it's own package manager.

I liked it quite a bit, except the fact that it was completely pre-made by someone else. So I wiped that VM, installed Archlinux via the archinstall script, which also installed Hyprland, and then installed these badass ml4w dotfiles from github:

https://github.com/mylinuxforwork/dotfiles

It's pretty amazing, to say the least. Also has a GUI package manager that not only updates the dotfiles when needed, but runs pacman for you without the need to type it in a console. ;)

Regards,
Nick

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Hey poindexter!

On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 06:40:16 -0700, you wrote:

I think it might be time to have some work/play separation and install
Linux at home. :)

Bah, you've been saying that for months already. Just stick with Windows ya 'kid in a candy store'. LOL :)

Regards,
Nick

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Hi Accession,
On <Thu, 22 Oct 25>, you wrote me:

Me personally, I have nothing bad to say about Mint. I've booted it up multiple times, and it looks and works great.

It does. One of the reasons I am not moving too fast to re-install that machine, I do have an image backup made weekly just in case.

BBS stuff? I thought you were done with that? Or are you just
referring to your QWK packet stuff?

Sorry yes QWK mail from your side and my fidonet node that is setup to
poll for netmail whenever I think about it. Although in the background
I've been quietly coding my own BBS software on the commodore 64. Lost
my original code due to a bad floppy so re-creating it from the data
disk.

don't think I could ever run anything Red Hat related, but to each
their own, of course - and that's probably because I'm just not used
to it or it's package manager.

I said that for years. :) There are rants online from me about rpm hell.

It's pretty amazing, to say the least. Also has a GUI package manager
that not only updates the dotfiles when needed, but runs pacman for
you without the need to type it in a console. ;)

LOL I just can't get used to the command lines for that one. I use
the terminal for this stuff on Mint and fedora, but pacman is causing a
mental block.

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Bah, you've been saying that for months already. Just stick with
Windows ya 'kid in a candy store'. LOL :)

In all fairness, I'm running Bodhi Linux on one laptop and Mint on the
other.

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Hey Tiny!

On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 05:43:04 -0500, you wrote:

It does. One of the reasons I am not moving too fast to re-install that machine, I do have an image backup made weekly just in case.

I think as long as you're not using proprietary graphics drivers and are using the open source ones, you should probably be fine. But yeah, backups are always a good idea.

Although in the background I've been quietly coding my own BBS
software on the commodore 64. Lost my original code due to a bad
floppy so re-creating it from the data disk.

Sounds fun. Do you actually have a commodore64? I don't think I've ever seen you talk about it.

It's pretty amazing, to say the least. Also has a GUI package
manager that not only updates the dotfiles when needed, but runs
pacman for you without the need to type it in a console. ;)

LOL I just can't get used to the command lines for that one. I use
the terminal for this stuff on Mint and fedora, but pacman is causing a mental block.

Right. I mentioned that you don't *have* to use pacman in a terminal, as the GUI updating thing does it for you. ;)

apt install <package>
yum install <package>
pacman -S <package>

Meh, all the same. I completely get it, though. Once you get well aquainted with one of them, others get confusing. lol

Regards,
Nick

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Hey poindexter!

On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 07:10:06 -0700, you wrote:

Bah, you've been saying that for months already. Just stick with
Windows ya 'kid in a candy store'. LOL :)

In all fairness, I'm running Bodhi Linux on one laptop and Mint on the other.

That doesn't coincide with what you posted, or you left some valuable information out. ;)

"I think it might be time to have some work/play separation and install
Linux at home. :)"

So, you already have it installed, but you don't use it enough? STOP BEING SO VAGUE! lol

Regards,
Nick

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Hi Accession,
On <Fri, 23 Oct 25>, you wrote me:

I think as long as you're not using proprietary graphics drivers and
are using the open source ones, you should probably be fine. But yeah, backups are always a good idea.

Yes I have AMD for graphics and CPU so I am running the open source ones.
When I had a nvidia one it was an older card and it ran better with the
closed source drivers, but that was a whole other message in itself on
getting that stable. LOL

Sounds fun. Do you actually have a commodore64? I don't think I've
ever seen you talk about it.

I've got 2 64's, and a 128 here. 1541, 1541II, 1541C and 1571 drives. LOL
One of the 64's was mine from age 13-18 when I sold it to a friend who years later gave it back with his. So every one of the computers and drives here
I used as a teenager. LOL

They were in the storage closet for years, but two years ago (Oct 21) I
quit drinking so the money I saved allowed me to pick up some toys for
the old machines. Network card, floppy cable, etc. So I've been slowly getting my side of the room setup. Project this weekend is a couple of
movable shelves that I'm attaching to the wall in front of me that I can
reach up and move them into "position" to be used.

I will share videos of this when I'm done. Friend of mine is 3d printing
some of the parts for me and helping me design everything. (Same friend
who gave me the commodore's back over 10 years ago!)

As for coding, I will be honest and I am using my laptop to write the code
and emulator for testing it. Once it "works" I send it to a 1541 and test
on the real hardware. I'm having fun and staying outta Andrea's hair so everyone is happy. hahaha

apt install <package>
yum install <package>
pacman -S <package>

Why -S ? That's what bothers me. Must be capital S. WHY!?!?!?
Why not -install or -i like everything else? Hell -fetch what is -S?

Meh, all the same. I completely get it, though. Once you get well
aquainted with one of them, others get confusing. lol

See above. LOL I just can't get past it. hahahaha

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Hey Tiny!

On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 07:54:44 -0500, you wrote:

I've got 2 64's, and a 128 here. 1541, 1541II, 1541C and 1571 drives.
LOL One of the 64's was mine from age 13-18 when I sold it to a friend
who years later gave it back with his. So every one of the computers
and drives here I used as a teenager. LOL

Wow. Sounds like you have a whole operation going over there!

I will share videos of this when I'm done. Friend of mine is 3d
printing some of the parts for me and helping me design everything.
(Same friend who gave me the commodore's back over 10 years ago!)

Sounds like fun. Can't wait to see the videos!

pacman -S <package>

Why -S ? That's what bothers me. Must be capital S. WHY!?!?!?
Why not -install or -i like everything else? Hell -fetch what is -S?

usage: pacman <operation> [...]
operations:
pacman {-h --help}
pacman {-V --version}
pacman {-D --database} <options> <package(s)>
pacman {-F --files} [options] [file(s)]
pacman {-Q --query} [options] [package(s)]
pacman {-R --remove} [options] <package(s)>
pacman {-S --sync} [options] [package(s)]
pacman {-T --deptest} [options] [package(s)]
pacman {-U --upgrade} [options] <file(s)>

use 'pacman {-h --help}' with an operation for available options

It syncs the repository first, before installing the package. Then there's more options you can use with -S, for example "-Syu" to update your system:

-u, --sysupgrade upgrade installed packages (-uu enables downgrades)
-y, --refresh download fresh package databases from the server
(-yy to force a refresh even if up to date)

Meh, all the same. I completely get it, though. Once you get well
aquainted with one of them, others get confusing. lol

See above. LOL I just can't get past it. hahahaha

I usually don't have an issue with most when testing out new stuff, just have to read up on what you're trying to use and do. I just tend to stick with what I'm used to and like, though, and Arch has been just that for well over a decade now.

Regards,
Nick

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Re: AI-WX Weather Door Is
By: Tiny to Accession on Fri Oct 24 2025 07:54 am

I've got 2 64's, and a 128 here. 15
1541II, 1541C and 1571 drives. LOL
One of the 64's was mine from age 13

Nice collection.

Why -S ? That's what bothers me. M
be capital S. WHY!?!?!?
Why not -install or -i like everythi

Because it has to be different. That's
how you know it's special. You always
know who is running Arch, because they
will tell you that they are running
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Re: AI-WX Weather Door Is
By: Accession to Tiny on Fri Oct 24 2025 06:25 pm

Sounds like fun. Can't wait to see the videos!

pacman -S <package>

Why -S ? That's what bothers me. Must be capital S. WHY!?!?!? Why
not -install or -i like everything else? Hell -fetch what is -S?

It syncs the repository first, before installing the package.
Then there's more options you can use with -S, for example "-Syu"

yeah but shouldn't it do that anyways? why add another step when you don't need to. i know why, because of their train of thought.
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Hi Accession,
On <Sat, 24 Oct 25>, you wrote me:

Wow. Sounds like you have a whole operation going over there!

In my 1/2 of a small den. LOL Have to get creative to find room for
things.

Sounds like fun. Can't wait to see the videos!

I can't wait until everything is finished! It's going to be such a cool
setup.

to stick with what I'm used to and like, though, and Arch has been
just that for well over a decade now.

For sure, once you get used to something it's hard to change. I have
almost no short term memory. On my cheap china brand laptop when I first install a distro I have to type pnpacpi=off acpipnp=off on the command line
as I can not remember for 1 second what order that goes in. hahaha I got
tired of looking it up so I type both. hahaha I even put both in my
grub kernal options.

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Hi Phigan,
On <Sat, 24 Oct 25>, you wrote me:

Nice collection.

Thanks!

Because it has to be different. That's
how you know it's special.

LOL! Nick told us what it means, so I suppose I'm not as
upset with it... I just don't get why it can't be install
just to make things easier.

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Hey phigan!

On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 17:20:36 -0700, you wrote:

Because it has to be different. That's
how you know it's special. You always
know who is running Arch, because they
will tell you that they are running
Arch.

Yeah, pretty crazy. You also know who is running Gentoo, or FreeBSD, or OpenBSd, or Debian, or Linux Mint, or <insert any distro here>, because they will tell you that they are running them.

I'm fairly certain that's exactly what the conversation was about, though.. :|

Regards,
Nick

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Hey MRO!

On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 20:50:48 -0500, you wrote:

yeah but shouldn't it do that anyways? why add another step when you
don't need to. i know why, because of their train of thought.

I'm not sure what you mean here. There was no step added. Sync'ing your repo, installing a package or packages, updating your system, even searching for packages (query) is all based of the '-S' option, with more options. '-Syu' '-Syyu' etc. Doing quite a few operations there with that and still typing less than 'install' :)

Then, removing a package and whatever other options that can be chained off of it is '-R'.

Either way, I'm not here to argue about it, or tell you what is better than the other. There's so many distros available nowadays, and new ones being created all the time. I enjoy the freedom to try whatever ones look appealing to me, and then stick with what I like best.

Aside from that, I still have a Windows 11 machine, and don't see being able to get rid of it as long as the games I play still go unsupported for Linux without some sort of hackery. I'm not trying to run them with a "crutch" like Proton (is it even supported any more?) or whatever, or tweak a bunch of settings to get them to work, etc.

Regards,
Nick

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Re: AI-WX Weather Door Is
By: Accession to MRO on Sat Oct 25 2025 06:48 am

Hey MRO!

On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 20:50:48 -0500, you wrote:

yeah but shouldn't it do that anyways? why add another step when you don't need to. i know why, because of their train of thought.

I'm not sure what you mean here. There was no step added. Sync'ing
your repo, installing a package or packages, updating your system,

oh i thought you had to do that every time you installed something.

i've only used pacman a few times. I don't really need to install a lot of things and i'm running ubuntu on my server. it's about as setup as it's going ot be. i've messed with tons of distros, i used to fuck with linux all the time. it will never replace windows and i think developers should stop
trying to copy windows.

Either way, I'm not here to argue about it, or tell you what is
better than the other. There's so many distros available nowadays,

i'm not arguing, i was just asking.
i dont care what other people do with their stuff.
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Accession wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

So, you already have it installed, but you don't use it enough? STOP
BEING SO VAGUE! lol

I haven't had time to play with my personal laptop in a while... :(




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